Has anyone done online trading?

teach

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Less then 5% of investors (and managers) have the emotional discipline necessary to be truly successful investors.
Exactly, I'm too fucking wound up to be an investor. What makes me a good entrepreneur doesn't make me a good investor. I need to find that 5% that knows what they are doing. I have no issue paying for the results. I have a big fat pile of cash just sitting there earning couple points right now, and that is stupid.
 

onceaday

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You may be right. I only manage my own book and help a few friends. I honestly wish all G/L and as I mentioned it is a very tough business.

I'm not talking about being ignorant about it but there has got to be good managers out there.
 

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@Teach, the markets are very frothy right now.

Exactly, I'm too fucking wound up to be an investor. What makes me a good entrepreneur doesn't make me a good investor. I need to find that 5% that knows what they are doing. I have no issue paying for the results. I have a big fat pile of cash just sitting there earning couple points right now, and that is stupid.
 

onceaday

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So Lucky (I like your posts btw) let's call $VRX and $UNIS. My call? 1000 $VRX 15000 $UNIS. Your turn. 5 day outlook.

Less then 5% of investors (and managers) have the emotional discipline necessary to be truly successful investors.
 

teach

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@Teach, the markets are very frothy right now.
I know, I think this rally is a bear market rally. Look at Gold for crying out loud. It is up 20% already this year! Why the fuck would a useless metal be up 20%?? I think the central banks all over don't know what the fuck they are doing. I mean negative interest rates?!? I am 50% cash right now and have been selling into the rally. I only own large US and Can large caps with decent dividends and some tech that has been pounded down last year but still has potential like $AMD. I am thinking of getting into some natural gas because it has been slammed and I am hearing supply is going down.
 

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So Lucky (I like your posts btw) let's call $VRX and $UNIS. My call? 1000 $VRX 15000 $UNIS. Your turn. 5 day outlook.
You are not likely to come close to a market return over the long term speculating with options. Sorry I can't help you. If you want to become an investor on the other hand I'm happy to help.
 

Ceiling Cat

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Even with the pros, they have ups and downs. There are some stocks with lower returns but safer. Some safe stocks pay 4% dividends, better than any bank can give you.
 

AK-47

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My strategy is to buy boring sure long term stocks and sell covered calls on the stock. Always buy dividend paying stocks. While you wait for the upside, you get the dividends and the price paid on the covered call. In the short term I am getting better than any bank or GIC can pay me, in the long term even with safe sure stocks the potential is 10-15% annually.
You cannot get 10% annual return without taking CONSIDERABLE risk!! Let alone get 15% return.

Could you please post these stocks you claim are getting 15% annually??
 

lucky_blue

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Canadians love dividend and income producing investments. That makes these types of securities popular and they end up having high valuations.

If you need cash flow, it should not matter where it comes from - capital gains or dividends / interest income. Investors should focus instead on total returns.

There is a psychological bias involved here, people feel comforted by the dividend payment even if the price of the stock drops, they feel the ongoing income stream may "protect" them from having to sell the stock at a loss.

In reality most people will not have saved enough to generate the required cash flow needed in retirement from interest and dividend income.

One approach is a cash reserve covering 3 years of expenses and the rest invested in a globally diversified low cost portfolio of equities and bonds.
 

SkyRider

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In reality most people will not have saved enough to generate the required cash flow needed in retirement from interest and dividend income.
Some people think they will sell their Toronto house for $2million when they retire and move to the Maritimes and buy a house for $150,000.

There are some Canadian companies that will probably never go bankrupt. The "Big 5" banks, Bell, Rogers, Enbridge, etc. BTW: I think Torstar is now in the ICU.
 

Ceiling Cat

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You cannot get 10% annual return without taking CONSIDERABLE risk!! Let alone get 15% return.

Could you please post these stocks you claim are getting 15% annually??


I'll answer the question. Not because you are really interested in the answer. You will cause trouble just for the sake of causing trouble. I will even wait for the double talking retread cackler that talks out of the side of his mouth to join you and put in his 2 cents ( his investment fund ) Stay tuned for the answer when I get around to it. Maybe tomorrow.
 

AK-47

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I'll answer the question. Not because you are really interested in the answer. You will cause trouble just for the sake of causing trouble. I will even wait for the double talking retread cackler that talks out of the side of his mouth to join you and put in his 2 cents ( his investment fund ) Stay tuned for the answer when I get around to it. Maybe tomorrow
Still waiting...............
 

Ceiling Cat

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AK-47,

I told you you will have to wait. There is a double talking cackler that talks out of the side of his mouth hanging around. Cacklers annoy people to feel alive. They suck the energy out of you if you let them. Be patient, meanwhile watch a video and learn something. That way you will not get bamboozled next time you buy an AK-47. You will know if you are getting a real one or not.



 

AK-47

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Ha ha.......you're right, actually. I only have CDN bank stocks.
Their dividends are relatively low, but I prefer to sleep well at night
 

Ceiling Cat

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AK-47,

Here is your answer.

If you own Canadian bank stocks then you know you are getting an approx. 4% dividend annually, you can hold and take profits in the long term as indicated in the blue box in the pic. In this case it is a 39.70% gain. Or you can trade the stock and take smaller profits many times. The three examples are 13.19%, 16.49%, and 26.13% in the red boxes. With a portfolio of 5-10 stocks you buy low and sell high to take profits as the stocks pop. When trading a stock you only get the dividend if you sell before the ex-dividend date. Even with analyst opinions and Technical Indicators like Bollinger bands, MACD and EMA, you will never be able to exactly predict the exact time of highs and lows. If you are getting it right 50-75% of the time you are in the black.

So 10-15% gains annually is not impossible?

 
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AK-47

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Recessions are actually the best time to buy bank stocks.
I can't wait for next major recession to hit us
 
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