Female student arrested after 8 stabbed at Dunbarton High School in Pickering

oldjones

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Ok, I'll take stab at this (too soon? My bad.). TPS still trying to figure it out. Wasting our tax dollars on courses to learn how to de-escalate the situation.
Next time there's a guy with a knife on a streetcar call a teacher, and keep it secret from the cops.

Did the teacher have body armour, pepper spray and a baton? Never mind an armed partner, and three other armed back-up teams.
 

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Maybe schools need to create some type of penalty box for bullies like they have in hockey......LOL
In hockey there's also a penalty for diving.

Further, if you respond to a an insult, or even minor contact like a "face wash", with a punch or slash, it's you who will be going to the penalty box (or if you both go, you'll be getting the extra penalty).
 

oldjones

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Shades of Sammy Yatim. The 14 year old girl wanted to be killed by police.
There's been no evidence that Sammy Yatim wanted anything but to get home to his family. He hurt no one and was no real threat to anyone. What's the basis for your callous snap-judgement about that poor girl?
 

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There's been no evidence that Sammy Yatim wanted anything but to get home to his family. He hurt no one and was no real threat to anyone. What's the basis for your callous snap-judgement about that poor girl?
He's buying into the defence's argument. Which of course they manufactured for the trial. Because until the trial nobody had even presented this argument because there were no facts to substantiate it.
 

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She said that she was going to do it because was she was being bullied. She said she wanted the police to shoot her.


I don't know why the school didn't intervene sooner.
 

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her blog has her saying it for days she was going to do it. she even says her mom told her not to. man, her mom is going to get burned for not turning her into police.
 

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She said that she was going to do it because was she was being bullied. She said she wanted the police to shoot her.
Here's the thing. People are saying it is great that Nate (the mall cop) and the teachers were able to apprehend the culprit without the use of firearm (because the didn't have firearms) but I fear one day a mall cop or a teacher will get seriously hurt or killed trying to stop an armed attacker.

Yeah, she said she wanted suicide by cop and I suspect Sammy Yatim also wanted suicide by cop.
 

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Here's the thing. People are saying it is great that Nate (the mall cop) and the teachers were able to apprehend the culprit without the use of firearm (because the didn't have firearms) but I fear one day a mall cop or a teacher will get seriously hurt or killed trying to stop an armed attacker.

Yeah, she said she wanted suicide by cop and I suspect Sammy Yatim also wanted suicide by cop.

I think it was more like the cop wanted lifetime pension by killing perp.
 

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My first thought was how I was glad we have gun laws and she had knife not an assault rifle. My second thought how I was glad that that someone like Forcillo wasn't involved. Both knee-jerk reactions to be sure but such are the times we live in.
Read my above posts. Gun laws don't help. They did absolutely nothing to prevent the last shooting in La Loche, Sk.

If a person wants to shoot someone with a firearm, a law is not going to stop them.

The issue in the vast majority of cases stems from Mental Health issues. It's like blaming a car for killing a pedestrian when in fact it was the drunk driver behind the wheel.
 

poorboy

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Take the car away from the drunk driver. Problem solved.
That's what the courts try and do on a case by case basis, not a ban, like they are trying to do with firearms.

Vehicles kill more people than firearms in Canada and the U.S.
 

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Too many people move too quickly from a fact - a girl stabbed 8 people with a knife - to looking for a theory which might mitigate or even justify these actions. Ironically, if the crime is rape, we're told its wrong to "blame the victim", but it seems that some are pretty quick to "exonerate the perpetrator" in crimes involving teenagers (which is really just a variant, especially in this case, of blaming the victim).

The flaw in the approach that social engineers are taking in relation to bullying is that they are completely focussed on one side of the equation. The "problem" is attributed 100% to the person who is teasing, harassing, insulting, or doing anything else that is currently defined as "bullying". There needs to be some focus on why some kids are not able to cope with even a normal amount of teasing from their friends and peers. Some of these kids are ticking time bombs. Even if they manage to get through school in a bubble of protection, nothing will insulate them from criticism, teasing and insults that they WILL encounter in the real world. People need the skills to cope with this inevitable aspect of life.

However, responding to teasing and harassment with physical violence is never an acceptable way of coping. You cannot respond to verbal harassment by escalating matters to a physical confrontation. That might have been what our fathers taught us back in the day, but today that leads to criminal charges and civil lawsuits. We've got to stop looking for excuses for violence. It's sending the wrong message to kids.


In what century do you come from? That used to be what was happening in those upper class English public schools in the 19th century, where newcomers were sytematically bullied in order that they could develop this English 'stiff upper lip'... so that they could face the enemy standing at attention in battle order without flinching and showing emotion in front of the troops. What they produced instead were psychopaths and generations of sexual deviants, obsessed with being caned by mistress. Bullying also teaches people that the law doesn't apply to them and they can do it in adult life.

Bullying often leads to physical interaction. Just touching someone without their permission is criminal assault, but is hardly seen like that in schools. People have a right to carry out their activities without being assaulted and harrassed. That includes school too. People get picked upon because of their differences, and they get picked upon by people who gang up together. There were probably warning signs and teachers should have spotted them. But too often, bullying gets written off as 'kids will be kids' and notions that kids cannot be evil. Psychopathic behaviour starts in school and will carry out in adult life. The mother, if she had any inkling, is also responsible for not bringing it up with school authorities. Some resort to suicide because they feel they have nothing to lose and have no avenue because the system tells them to simply buck up. In this case, she had probably decided that she had nothing to lose, but was going to give payback first.

Bullying is visible in a school environment, and teaching staff have some responsibility when they look the other way.
 

oldjones

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He's buying into the defence's argument. Which of course they manufactured for the trial. Because until the trial nobody had even presented this argument because there were no facts to substantiate it.
Until the trial, there are no arguments either way, just fat-chewing. Same after the trial, a for instance would be Sky's speculation about suicide by cop, unsupported by any evidence.

At the trial, no one presented any evidence that Yatim wanted to do anything but get home. Chew away. You might even address the case at hand; that would be more interesting.
 

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She said that she was going to do it because was she was being bullied. She said she wanted the police to shoot her.
Is that what she told you? What reputable source supplied you with this?
 

oldjones

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her blog has her saying it for days she was going to do it. she even says her mom told her not to. man, her mom is going to get burned for not turning her into police.
If you read her blog, supply the URL. If you only know what someone told you the blog said, who was that? Why should we belive you quoted them accurately, or that they had any accueate knowledge

Enough with the groundless gossip and broken telephone hearsay, "I heard from someone who heard from someone, who heard…" You guys read like a bunch of 14 year-olds whipping up a FaceBook frenzy.

And we know how factual and reliable 14 year-olds are.
 

oldjones

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That's what the courts try and do on a case by case basis, not a ban, like they are trying to do with firearms.

Vehicles kill more people than firearms in Canada and the U.S.
Since you're determined to be off topic: No one* has seriously proposed a ban on firearms. Not even in Canada, let alone the US where bearing arms is a Right. Much like roadside breath tests, many authorities have proposed serious mandatory background checks to try to weed out the dangerous individuals. And that would be case by case.

Shall we get back to the topic at hand? Or discuss guns intelligently, more than a sentence at a time?
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*Just as general as 'they', on the other side.
 
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Oldjones really needs to learn the fine art of multiquoting
 
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