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Toronto police officer charged in Distillery District shooting.

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Of course it does. The vehicle was surrounded. I guess he had never used his weapon in action before and was frustrated.
Maybe not. According to the video, it looks like the driver has a clear path behind him..... unless all cops cars hit him at the right angles and pinned it completely.
 

kugel1

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Maybe not. According to the video, it looks like the driver has a clear path behind him..... unless all cops cars hit him at the right angles and pinned it completely.
Still doesn't matter how well it was pinned or not...no shootie allowed!!!!
 

peter4025

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I guess I was wrong. My memory failed me. He should be charge for Killing a foreign engine
 

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If I recall, Toronto police currently are using Glocks or Sigs and are chambered in .40cal S&W. More importantly, yes, Toronto's police force is not supposed to shoot a car to disable, however, they are allowed to shoot at the driver to stop the car. Go figure.
 

bluecolt

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With all the speculation about the criminal driver, we must remember that the policeman did kill the poor car. Perhaps there should be a memorial service to the deceased vehicle, replete with flowers, pictures of it coming out of the showroom and a book of condolences, similar to the racoon who died downtown last year.
 

cunning linguist

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Better than shooting the driver. Problem solved in any case. Cop made a judgement call to disable a vehicle. Seemed it worked. Nobody got hurt. If it was Forcillo, you'd have a Bonnie and Clyde scene with a dead guy strapped in the driver's seat with bullet holes everywhere.

Going by your posts in other threads, the cop should have shot to kill..... 9 bullets into centre mass.

See? Not every confrontation has to result in shoot to kill.

However, given the situation (the guy's car was boxed in), there was no need to shoot anyway. But at least he shot the car and not the driver.

This situation is very similar to Forcillo. A suspect is boxed in. Forcillo shot to kill. This cop shot to disable the car..... though overboard as the car wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Another case of excessive shooting. But at least nobody got hurt.... or killed this time.
And you're still missing the point, which this charge reinforces; if there's no justification to potentially kill, then there's no justification to shoot in the first place. Discharging a firearm is a risk, the risk needs to outweigh the immediate threat to life faced by the shooter. If it doesn't, the shot wasn't warranted, period.
 

cunning linguist

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Probably not, even considering the block was most likely aluminum, but the shots could easily take out the ignition or other essential components.

Question, do our cops actually use hollow points?

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Virtually every North American law enforcement agency uses hollow points; they'd be foolish not to. They're more effective at stopping the threat by creating a larger wound channel and have a lower chance of pass through both by way of expansion.
 

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I'm willing to bet those who were advocating leg shots in previous threads, will still be uppity about a cop shooting an engine block.
Yeah ... good point ! He shot to kill the engine but he could have just as easily aimed at the ignition wires ... sure the engine would have limped along but at least it word be alive !!! :mad:
 

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It might also be that he fell back to his military training as he had been to Afghanistan. Shooting a cars engine block is something we learned in the military to try and stop a vehicle that could be a suicide bomber, etc.
except they use 50 cal which punches a hole through the engine block
 

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If I recall, Toronto police currently are using Glocks or Sigs and are chambered in .40cal S&W. More importantly, yes, Toronto's police force is not supposed to shoot a car to disable, however, they are allowed to shoot at the driver to stop the car. Go figure.
not sure for metro

peel was S&W M&P in 40 cal - usually Federal HST, Remington Golden Saber, Speer Gold Dot and Winchester Ranger.

Doubt it was Sig - pretty expensive.
 

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It might also be that he fell back to his military training as he had been to Afghanistan. Shooting a cars engine block is something we learned in the military to try and stop a vehicle that could be a suicide bomber, etc.
Not going to happen with the 9 mm pea shooters they have.
They would need something like a Dessert Eagle to penetrate it with only one shot
 

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except they use 50 cal which punches a hole through the engine block.... Sure, when we have snipers around who carry the Macmillan TAC .50 but the majority of the time we don't and we use what we have at hand.

Not going to happen with the 9 mm pea shooters they have.....Keep thinking that, but notice how he didn't shoot only once, and it isn't necessarily about getting in to the block to disable a vehicle, there are other components that can cause that to happen under the hood.
 

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Nobody seems to have noticed that when officer numbnuts started firing, there was another officer directly in the line of fire. The latter rapidly moved out of the way, and behind the other cruiser; he looks bewildered after, standing there. I would guess that he complained to his supervisor. He could easily have been hit by ricochets. Careless use of a firearm doesn't usually wash when it concerns a cop pointing a gun or shooting a gun at a citizen, but I would think that it may apply when shooting towards fellow cop.
 

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except they use 50 cal which punches a hole through the engine block
This is true. A handgun round is just going to ricochet dangerously off a car engine. He could easily have killed HIMSELF doing that, or anybody else in the area. It was stupid.
 

dirkd101

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After seeing the video, I can see why he was charged. What a reckless individual, firing off a clip into the engine area. There were other officers downrange of his target area that could have been hit by a ricochet, bystanders or himself. What a complete tool! If he still has a job after all this, I'm thinking he's going to have to go in for some remedial gun safety training and earn the right to carry a weapon again.
 

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Not going to happen with the 9 mm pea shooters they have.
They would need something like a Dessert Eagle to penetrate it with only one shot
9mm...who carries 9mm? Not the cops. A "dessert" eagle, with whipped cram and a cherry on top? BTW, a .50 AE won't penetrate the block, you'd need a .50 BMG.
 
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