the worlds smartest man disagrees with global warming
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Just shows that old mathematicians don't age well.
Nothing he has to say about the issue is new or correct.
If you're really interested, here's a good rebuttal to all of doddering Dyson's 'claims'.
http://initforthegold.blogspot.ca/2007/08/dyson-exegesis.html
Nothing he has to say about the issue is new or correct.
If you're really interested, here's a good rebuttal to all of doddering Dyson's 'claims'.
http://initforthegold.blogspot.ca/2007/08/dyson-exegesis.html
actually, he pioneered GW studies , along with a team of brilliant minds so your comments about his opinion is off base
he may be wrong but he is not just another genius talking about something out of his field
thx for the rebuttal, it is interesting, now we need Dyson's rebuttal to the rebuttal
A good example of the idiocy in your "rebuttle",...
Um, I must have missed a step here... In fact climate model experts do not particularly "believe" models. Our skepticism is informed and consequently rather complex. Do we believe this, did we capture that... So here Dyson is completely off base.
Just confirms the "global warming religion" climate models,...as with religion,...has yet to be proved,...still a theory.
And just waht the hell does informed and consequently rather complex,...mean anyway,...useless response.
But you can "believe" what ever you want.
FAST
Interesting choice of words, Fast "outed the global warming scam". I'm not sure that he would view it as a "scam" and I didn't hear him denying that global warming was actually happening. I may need to go back and listen again to hear if he did deny that the atmosphere is warming. It's the causes he is disputing.
Rather as I heard his comments it was a suggestion that we don't know enough to predict with any accuracy what the effect of CO2 build up might be, apart from encouraging plant growth, which is a good thing in his view.
I loved the fact that he indicated that there were so many unpredictables that making 'any' kind of definitive predictions was not wise. And I would suspect that he would apply that caution even to his own ideas.
Don't you love really smart people!
Rather as I heard his comments it was a suggestion that we don't know enough to predict with any accuracy what the effect of CO2 build up might be, apart from encouraging plant growth, which is a good thing in his view.
I loved the fact that he indicated that there were so many unpredictables that making 'any' kind of definitive predictions was not wise. And I would suspect that he would apply that caution even to his own ideas.
Don't you love really smart people!
Really?
Its one thing to back the words of a doddering old mathematician about how he thinks CO2 is good for us, but to go as far as to claim that he was the first to study it is just a bit too ridiculous.
When do you think the greenhouse effect was first understood?
Sure, just like the theory of gravity.
Feel free to live your life believing that its only a theory.
Around 1979, Dyson worked with the Institute for Energy Analysis on climate studies. This group, under the direction of Alvin Weinberg, pioneered multidisciplinary climate studies, including a strong biology group. Also during the 1970s, he worked on climate studies conducted by the JASON defense advisory group.
The noun pioneer means to be the first
I did not mean to say he was the first to think about it
He wasn't the first to think about or the first to study it, as you clearly claimed.
If you can't start off with a reasonable claim about his work, then the rest of your claims become suspect.
But Dyson is a bit of a kook, he claims that climate change will be good for most of us.
To claim that its not happening globally is just ridiculous, it really shows the man to be out of touch.
And clearly Dyson also admits he doesn't know the science, he looked at it 30 years ago, but that was a long time ago in this field.
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/freeman_dyson_takes_on_the_climate_establishment/2151/
That's from an article that is trying to be supportive of Dyson.
Climate change is real, we have always had it and always will.
The question is if human activities have accelerated it and if so to what degree?
I don't think there is clear evidence to what degree human activities have affected climate change.
The question is if human activities have accelerated it and if so to what degree?
I don't think there is clear evidence to what degree human activities have affected climate change.
The evidence is quite clear, with the planet warmed up 1ºC from pre-industrial times, CO2 levels higher then they've ever been through man's existence and changes visible today in the climate.
There is no accurate CO2 record past about 800K years ago so I'm more interested in looking at the level over the planet's existence rather than human existence. How old is the earth (more than 4 billion?) Modern humans are are a pretty recent phenomenon in relation.
No, what is quite clear is that you are firmly committed to your eco religion. Listen, I'm all for getting away from fossil fuels, it would be great if we could stop sending trillions of dollars to islamists who want to kill us and implement a global caliphate, but it seems as if climate change has become the new religion and tool for the global socialists.
Carbon taxes, more regulations and cap and trade are simply tools for the socialist wealth redistribution plan. Cap-and-trade in particular, has been steeped in political corruption, fraud and organized crime. Are we really surprised why the liberal (and other) politicians love the idea with so many more opportunities to make themselves and their friends rich with their influence peddling?
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/12/1...te-change-is-a-socialist-money-sucking-scheme
http://www.therebel.media/harper_carbon_pr
http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/redistributing-poverty
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I thought they were able to detect evidence of CO2 in the atmosphere and climate impacts from geological studies in order to examine the pre-industrial age?
I can't believe that the polar and mountain caps or glaciers receded 800 years ago too.
I will agree that the carbon tax policy is over-taxation without a proper justification. I don't mind tax incentives to help find alternate sources of clean energy.
I thought they were able to detect evidence of CO2 in the atmosphere and climate impacts from geological studies in order to examine the pre-industrial age?
I can't believe that the polar and mountain caps or glaciers receded 800 years ago too.
I will agree that the carbon tax policy is over-taxation without a proper justification. I don't mind tax incentives to help find alternate sources of clean energy.
I don't know who the fuck Freeman Dyson is and I don't care to know.
Stephen Hawking thinks Canadian Neil Turok is the smartest man in the world. He took up a position at Waterloo U to work with him. Why do we belittle ourselves?
Stephen Hawking thinks Canadian Neil Turok is the smartest man in the world. He took up a position at Waterloo U to work with him. Why do we belittle ourselves?
800K = 800,000 years - the age of the oldest ice samples that can be used to accurately measure CO2 levels. The other data is less reliable.
If we can encourage R&D and technological innovation in a fair, open and transparent way, I would be happy to see it happen.
In Canada our tax policies seem to be dominated by envy rather than common sense.
https://mises.org/library/appeasing-envy
I don't know who the fuck Neil Turok is and I don't care to know.
Billy Bob Butfuck thinks I am the smartest man in the world.
I win the award for the most idiotic post of the day!
By the way Neil Turok was born in South Africa and educated in the UK. I'm not even sure he is a Canadian citizen?
