Massive c-36 crackdown if Tories win - Harper

[Aardvark154]

"Human trafficking" means "agency" so yes he is promising a crack down on the industry.

The Winnipeg Free Press link above is a credible source.

However, the article in the Winnipeg Free Press states:

Conservative leader Stephen Harper said a re-elected Conservative government would take further action to combat human trafficking and support its victims.

If his party is re-elected, Harper said he would renew the Human Trafficking Action Plan for an additional 5 years, establish new RCMP human trafficking teams in Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and Winnipeg, double existing funding to help human trafficking victims reintegrate into society; and establish Feb. 22 as the National Human Trafficking Awareness Day.

"We need to do even more to keep young women out of the hands of predatory criminal gangs and make our streets and communities safer," Harper said in a statement made on Sunday.

"Human trafficking is not always visible to Canadians but it is all-too-present in our communities across the country," the Prime Minister said, noting that human traffickers are often organized criminal gangs who force their victims to participate in prostitution and other forms of modern-day slavery."

So there is more than a little "what I believe he actually must mean is" going on.

 

[mandrill]

Aside from the facts that the RCMP has no jurisdiction in Ontario (municipal police forces and the OPP are law enforcement here) and the Federal govt has no jurisdiction to prosecute criminal code offences here, Fuji has a watertight argument. :frusty:

 

[JohnLarue]

You're a complete fool and know absolutely nothing about the intentions of BillC36 and your poster boy Harper's intentions towards the industry along with his religious evangelical base.

You need to get a grip on reality
Your paranoia is affecting your judgement

Hopefully for the last time I will tell you that law enforcement does not have the resources or the inclination to sting consenting adults who engage in pay for play
They will use this law to target PIMPs, human traffickers & those that prey on minors & that is OK by me

Based upon your outrage and obsession to this bill you must support the PIMPs, human traffickers & those that prey on minors

 

[Frankfooter]

You need to get a grip on reality
Your paranoia is affecting your judgement
...
Based upon your outrage and obsession to this bill you must support the PIMPs, human traffickers & those that prey on minors

Each time Harper has been reelected he's gotten worse and enacted stronger legislation.
You are a fool not to see a pattern and to worry about what he'd do next.
C36.
C51.

 

[fuji]

Aside from the facts that the RCMP has no jurisdiction in Ontario (municipal police forces and the OPP are law enforcement here) and the Federal govt has no jurisdiction to prosecute criminal code offences here, Fuji has a watertight argument. :frusty:

Where on my post did I mention Ontario?

Next time read carefully before making an ass of yourself.

 

[fuji]

However, the article in the Winnipeg Free Press states:

Conservative leader Stephen Harper said a re-elected Conservative government would take further action to combat human trafficking and support its victims.

If his party is re-elected, Harper said he would renew the Human Trafficking Action Plan for an additional 5 years, establish new RCMP human trafficking teams in Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and Winnipeg, double existing funding to help human trafficking victims reintegrate into society; and establish Feb. 22 as the National Human Trafficking Awareness Day.

"We need to do even more to keep young women out of the hands of predatory criminal gangs and make our streets and communities safer," Harper said in a statement made on Sunday.

"Human trafficking is not always visible to Canadians but it is all-too-present in our communities across the country," the Prime Minister said, noting that human traffickers are often organized criminal gangs who force their victims to participate in prostitution and other forms of modern-day slavery."

So there is more than a little "what I believe he actually must mean is" going on.

And the police in Canada have routinely used the phrase "human trafficking" to describe operations comprised only of consenting adults.

When justifying the law they speak of cases such as this article, abusive pimps, underage girls, violence. When applying the law the definition is far broader.

Even the article contains weasel words: "human traffickers are often organized criminal gangs who force their victims to participate in prostitution". And often not?

 

[JohnLarue]

Each time Harper has been reelected he's gotten worse and enacted stronger legislation.
You are a fool not to see a pattern and to worry about what he'd do next.
C36.
C51.

You are the fool
Go ahead let your paranoia get the better of any judgment you may have

Take a look @ the number of ads here & then tell us that he RCMP will put all of those ladies out of business.
They just do not have the man power to devote to this
Now if there are sex slaves , pimps or children involved, yes they will

Again do you support trafficking, pimps or the abuse of children?

You are stupid beyond belief

 

[fuji]

The police certainly have the manpower to arrest loads of clients if they choose to. So far they have chosen not to. But it is not for lack of manpower. Arresting clients who respond to online escort ads would be like shooting fish in a barrel: very little effort, lots of arrests and convictions. It would take a day or two of effort by a couple of officers to set up a sting and net dozens of perps.

We are fortunate that the municipal and provincial governments and police chiefs we have now are more liberal then the federal government.

 

[Insidious Von]

Harper said he was going after pimps and perverts, his words, in a speech to Ford Nation in Etobicoke. I was there, didn't say anything, just blended in.

 

[LickingGravity]

Where on my post did I mention Ontario?

Next time read carefully before making an ass of yourself.

You are missing his point.

 

[JohnLarue]

The police certainly have the manpower to arrest loads of clients if they choose to. So far they have chosen not to. But it is not for lack of manpower. Arresting clients who respond to online escort ads would be like shooting fish in a barrel: very little effort, lots of arrests and convictions. It would take a day or two of effort by a couple of officers to set up a sting and net dozens of perps.

We are fortunate that the municipal and provincial governments and police chiefs we have now are more liberal then the federal government.

Thee is no incentive for them to do so
There are lots of laws they could enforce if they choose, however they know it would be a waste of their time, the courts time & my tax dollars

 

[squeezer]

Thee is no incentive for them to do so
There are lots of laws they could enforce if they choose, however they know it would be a waste of their time, the courts time & my tax dollars

Read the bill and educate yourself before you spout off nonsense. The intent of The Reform Party lead by Harper is to convict anyone purchasing sexual services, the fact LE and the Ontario government has more sense has nothing to do with Harper and The Reform Party.


https://openparliament.ca/bills/41-2/C-36/

 

[JohnLarue]

Each time Harper has been reelected he's gotten worse and enacted stronger legislation.
You are a fool not to see a pattern and to worry about what he'd do next.
C36.
C51.

Each time you post you have gotten worse
You are a lunatic leftie who will always complain
You will never be content and you must always find someone to blame

Your opinion is not worth the steam off a bucket of piss on a cold winters day

 

[JohnLarue]

Read the bill and educate yourself before you spout off nonsense. The intent of The Reform Party lead by Harper is to convict anyone purchasing sexual services, the fact LE and the Ontario government has more sense has nothing to do with Harper and The Reform Party.


https://openparliament.ca/bills/41-2/C-36/

You have no idea what the intent of the government is because you let your paranoia decide for you
It has been explained to you by a lawyer yet you still go down this road (a lawyer you picked out)

You do not have a clue
First it was Justin you support, then Muclair once you figured out Justin did not have a chance.
Now that the NDP are slipping in the polls are going to switch back?
You are voting for all the wrong reasons
You are too stupid to have any real principles.

One thing I will guarantee you is that you will look back and ask yourself why you wasted your vote on such a non-issue

 

[lomotil]

Harper said he was going after pimps and perverts, his words, in a speech to Ford Nation in Etobicoke. I was there, didn't say anything, just blended in.

Harper has only one testicle, but he will win the next election with a minority, perhaps to be toppled by a sour Trudeau-Mulcair cabal. Bill C36 will be ignored by LE for the most part. Ottawa and the various provincial Attorney Generals have an unspoken understandig to let sleeping dogs lie for the foreseable future.

 

[Parabolic]

Thee is no incentive for them to do so
There are lots of laws they could enforce if they choose, however they know it would be a waste of their time, the courts time & my tax dollars

Most lawyers and judges would agree. Unless it's truly human trafficking and underage prostitution.

 

[Frankfooter]

You have no idea what the intent of the government is because you let your paranoia decide for you
It has been explained to you by a lawyer yet you still go down this road (a lawyer you picked out)

It happens in the US with right wing governments, it will happen here if Harper stays in power eventually.

 

[Butler1000]

It happens in the US with right wing governments, it will happen here if Harper stays in power eventually.

Actually it more comes down to local sheriff's. Most of the stings involve local who are either dealing with direct complaints or are padding stats before an election.

As we don't elect our law enforcement I don't see it happening. I don't think I've ever heard of a federally or even state mandated "war on prostitution". More of occasional activity.

You're projecting what happens in the USA to up here. Apples and oranges.

 

[peepingtom]

No, its you that is a fool to defend the man who gave us C36.
Harper couldn't enforce C36 previously, but if he gets back in power again who knows what he will do.

If Harper is back in power, what has changed between now and after the election for people to think that there will be greater crackdown by c36? OP is either paranoid or trolling.

 

[Frankfooter]

If Harper is back in power, what has changed between now and after the election for people to think that there will be greater crackdown by c36? OP is either paranoid or trolling.

What will happen is Harper won't feel the need to listen to the electorate again.