BonBons agency closed / phone records stolen

[fuji]

Based on that, if the records were limited to "Fuji - Mom's basement - Toronto" and there were no time and appointment logs, you'd be placated?

I would be satisfied with

"Candice, 7-9pm Fri, Sheraton, Fuji, 647 555 5555"

Since Fuji isn't my name, the hotel room number tied to my credit card isn't listed, and the phone number is a 7-11 burner, that is probably the best that can be done given the risks inherent under c36. It would be pretty tough for the police to trace that to me later on.

I would expect the driver/escort to call me at about 6:50pm to confirm where she is going. Driver may scribble that on his cigarette pack to aid his memory but had no reason to write down the information in an organized fashion.

I would then expect to be hearing the driver pounding on my door and yelling he is going to call 911 if he hasn't heard back from "Candice" by about 9:15.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

See my post to shack. The driver is not likely keeping organized records, just scribbling on napkins. Not likely to be useful to police other than with respect to customers visited that same day. Random scribbling from months ago won't carefully log the time, date, escort name, and address in a way that would be actionable in court. A booking register by definition is carefully organized in exactly that way.

I disagree. A professional driver would indeed keep detailed records either by day or week depending on how they were paid. Since drivers are paid different fair amounts based on different outcall locations, and has a couple of different girls they are driving through out the night, keeping track of the date, time, the girl, client contact number and then address. It is still all stored info. even on a note pad. Why do you assume it would on some cigarette pack.

Also bookers are not logging database style-sheets. Bonbons had names and number stored in a phone. Not on some database. It was a phone contact list.

If the driver WANTED to screw you they could build a detailed record, so could the escort herself. Let's assume that nobody is maliciously out to screw over anybody else and that the risks arise through carelessness.

I understand that but the driver is more likely to encounter a police officer in everyday public activities based solely on the amount they are on the road. The client information happens to be with the driver and if the driver get detained for some other reason like warrants or drugs, the police search the car and get the list. How are police going to obtain this database list from a booker is off site? I just don't understand why you put more faith in the driver then the agency.

 

[Hailey♥4U]

fuji, at what time does the driver confirm you are actually in the room at the hotel you are staying before he goes to pick up the companion to take her to your hotel?
or does he take his chances? and who pays the driver for his time/gas for the experience of wasting his and her time?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Not true at all. The driver needs to know where the girl is. The agency has no legitimate reason whatsoever to know the address.

Assuming you can get an agency to agree to drop off a gal at a nearby coffee shop, bar or even the hotel's lounge. How will the driver ever know the room # after he's dropped off the lady in your scenario as I understand it? God forbid something happens, but how will the driver assist in a search of a missing person in an entire hotel or condo building, when precious minutes are wasted?

 

[Jasmine Raine]

fuji, at what time does the driver confirm you are actually in the room at the hotel you are staying before he goes to pick up the companion to take her to your hotel?
or does he take his chances? and who pays the driver for his time/gas for the experience of wasting his and her time?

I believe that fuji has sated that is a financial security issue not a physical security issue. The difference being that one is accepted when weighed against a clients privacy regarding record keeping.

I don't quite get it either I'm afraid. I didn't think either security issue was acceptable.

 

[fuji]

The driver isn't getting the room number until the last minute so his billing records are just likely to say "Sheraton".

As for how the police obtain the booking record, they target the agency, use an undercover to establish sex is for sale, get a warrant, raid its offices, and seize its computers, phones, and files. They then start rounding up every client they can find contact information for.

Their motive in finding clients is twofold. First, more arrests to demonstrate on their quota. Second, a certain number of those clients will accept a plea deal in which they provide testimony useful in the larger case against the agency.

So, note that the agency itself has a reason not to have useful identifying information about its clients. That information is likely to be used in bringing an avails charge if the police do target the agency.

Why would the police target an agency? In a complaints basis world they may have information (perhaps wrong) that the agency is exploitative, uses underage, or employees trafficked escorts. In a moralizing police chief world, just because.

In any case the agency having this information was never a problem before c36, but now that information is highly damaging in the event there is a police action against the agency.

 

[fuji]

fuji, at what time does the driver confirm you are actually in the room at the hotel you are staying before he goes to pick up the companion to take her to your hotel?
or does he take his chances? and who pays the driver for his time/gas for the experience of wasting his and her time?

Just before delivering the escort. Ten, fifteen minutes before the appointment.

 

[Hailey♥4U]

I believe that fuji has sated that is a financial security issue not a physical security issue. The difference being that one is accepted when weighed against a clients privacy regarding record keeping.

I don't quite get it either I'm afraid. I didn't think either security issue was acceptable.

lol can you imagine all these drivers and companions driving to WOT "appointments".

the drivers would quit quicker than quick!

 

[GPIDEAL]

I would be satisfied with

"Candice, 7-9pm Fri, Sheraton, Fuji, 647 555 5555"

Since Fuji isn't my name, the hotel room number tied to my credit card isn't listed, and the phone number is a 7-11 burner, that is probably the best that can be done given the risks inherent under c36. It would be pretty tough for the police to trace that to me later on.

I would expect the driver/escort to call me at about 6:50pm to confirm where she is going. Driver may scribble that on his cigarette pack to aid his memory but had no reason to write down the information in an organized fashion.

I would then expect to be hearing the driver pounding on my door and yelling he is going to call 911 if he hasn't heard back from "Candice" by about 9:15.

The driver is an employee or subcontractor of the agency. What makes you think they won't share that info with the agency's owner or booking agent, who have the prime responsibility for the lady's safety?

What if he makes a mistake and throws out that gum wrapper or napkin? (I still don't understand why an escort agency will keep a hotel room # any longer than they need to. A regular customer's phone # is one thing, but past out call locations? Doesn't make sense.)

 

[Hailey♥4U]

Just before delivering the escort.

the "escort" is now known as a companion. and that the companion is not a product but is a human being.

 

[fuji]

I believe that fuji has sated that is a financial security issue not a physical security issue. The difference being that one is accepted when weighed against a clients privacy regarding record keeping.

I don't quite get it either I'm afraid. I didn't think either security issue was acceptable.

A financial issue can be solved other ways. The pecking order has to be that physical safety trumps legal safety, and legal safety trumps financial advantage.

Raise your prices to compensate for missed calls, for example, if calling when the driver picks you up still somehow leads to missed calls.

 

[fuji]

the "escort" is now known as a companion. and that the companion is not a product but is a human being.

Sure.

 

[fuji]

The driver is an employee or subcontractor of the agency. What makes you think they won't share that info with the agency's owner or booking agent, who have the prime responsibility for the lady's safety?

What if he makes a mistake and throws out that gum wrapper or napkin? (I still don't understand why an escort agency will keep a hotel room # any longer than they need to. A regular customer's phone # is one thing, but past out call locations? Doesn't make sense.)

The risk arises when the information is organized and aggregated. Police aren't going to hunt down one guy whose name was on a gum wrapper. A register listing actionable contact information for five hundred clients is far more interesting to a vice detective.

And while a malicious driver could do anything, let's assume no one is malicious. The driver doesn't need a detailed booking record, he only needs to know where he is going today. The escort is also unlikely to make detailed records.

As for why they keep it: because they don't know any better. Negligence, not malice.

 

[MPAsquared]

Fred....ban this fuck already! woman-hating moron he is.

Fuji don't ever step foot in my spa!

Jessica Rain, I must meet you! I want to hire you! You are amazingly well spoken! Brilliant replies. I'm an instant fan!!!! Xo!

 

[fuji]

Fred....ban this fuck already! woman-hating moron he is.

Fuji don't ever step foot in my spa!

Jessica Rain, I must meet you! I want to hire you! You are amazingly well spoken! Brilliant replies. I'm an instant fan!!!! Xo!

There is nothing in my posts about woman hating and your vile insults and slanderous lies are offensive. If you have nothing to add to the discussion don't post.

 

[asuran]

The risk really does not come from malice but from negligence, from the agency not understanding or not caring about the risk they create by keeping records.

You want them to risk the safety of the girls instead? They don't know you, whether or not you are a psychologically stable person or not.
Agencies exist because they provide the first line of screening process for the girls. It's their duty to to check if this caller is on their blacklist or not.
In a way they are responsible for the girl's safety.

From your posts in this thread, to me, it seems you only care about your very own selfish safety and is unwilling to take responsibility for your own actions.
Again if you are afraid then just stop your hobbying completely.

My goodness, when they say this C36 put the girls more at risk, I look at Fuji's posts in here and I can see why.

Safety for the girls is always a priority. For us hobbyist, if we want to be safe, we don't hobby at all. Easy to understand, no?

 

[Jasmine Raine]

A financial issue can be solved other ways. The pecking order has to be that physical safety trumps legal safety, and legal safety trumps financial advantage.

Raise your prices to compensate for missed calls, for example, if calling when the driver picks you up still somehow leads to missed calls.

I am sorry Fuji but I fear if I left my career up to you, I would not be able to even work no matter how much I would want to. Logistics alone would prevent me based on everything you expect.

You see, if this type of outcall "call in when dropped off around the block" thing does not still well with a lady for whatever reason, even financial, then she should just not offer that type of call realistically. Not all ladies have to offer incall nor do they have to offer outcall or even both.

But then you also want incalls to have no video surveillance which in a hotel or condo would be impossible based on the lack of control over the systems already in place. A companion can not work out of her own private residence for safety issues and I am sure we can agree on the risks to both client a companion with street or car calls., so she/I am left with no option for suitable location for the companionship to take place. Much better then the lady simply stating what she is and is not comfortable with and letting the client decide if he wants to risk it. Because if she does it any other way then what you suggest, she is doing it wrong? Regardless of whether there are some clients willing to work with her and her policies. Did I get that right?

 

[Celticman]

Fred....ban this fuck already! woman-hating moron he is.

To be considered as a petition!

 

[MPAsquared]

There is nothing in my posts about woman hating and your vile insults and slanderous lies are offensive. If you have nothing to add to the discussion don't post.

Lmfao! Your slanderous lies are offensive. You have 30 pple telling you answers & rebuttals yet u refuse to admit you'd rather girls harmed than risk your # being seen. And you don't even fucking hobby or live here. Get out of these threads. You're useless, vile, repulsive, and your attitude is disgusting!

 

[fuji]

I want MP's to have no internal video surveillance. A video of me in a hotel lobby does not show what room I went to. The police aren't going to go all CSI over a prostitution bust. If you hand them a gift like high quality video of your own inside your own establishment of course they will use it, but they are not going to piece together video from nearby stores and hotel cameras unless an indictable offense like attempted murder has been committed.