Opinions, Please.

[Willow Samoan]

Guys, I have a serious question regarding bill C-36. How will you guys feel about not talking about any sexual services before meeting the lady of your choice? Some ladies will use code phrases, stories to depict what they offer, or music videos and some will not. Some ladies will just be saying that they sell companionship and time and will not talk about anything sexual at all (that includes no secret codes for bbbj, no fetish stuff, no lingerie requests, ect). Does this make you not want to see someone, or will it depend on the ladies reputation on providing a good service? Not leaving an electronic trail of prostitution (the sales of sex for money) is beneficial for both clients and escorts, for so many reasons, once the new law is in effect. Also if you have any ideas of how you would deal with this, please share.​

 

[Celticman]

I understand where you are coming from, but this would be like sight unseen, going in blind. There are some services in a session that I need and wish to know are available to a certain degree of certainty if I am to invest my time, emotions and dollars. Failing this, I would not entertain the thought of seeing the lady, unless I was already familiar with her of course. If this became the standard in the industry I would no longer see escorts.

 

[Willow Samoan]

I wish I could thank you C.M., that is the exact feedback I was looking for. I completely understand what you are saying too. ​

 

[LikeRedHeads]

If the rates stay as high as they are, I will not see an escort just to test her without any info on her services. If the rates go down, as some people think, then I could venture once in a while and test a new escort that does not advertise her services. But in either case, I will have to make sure the escort is not LE.
Now, the solution for this is TERB; if the escort has a Terb account I would PM her and explicitly exchange with her on her services. LE cannot force Terb, which is registered in a foreign country to hand them my ISP, so I am safe on that front. Just hoping a LOT of escorts would register with Terb BEFORE the law comes into effect, so that we know they are not LE.

 

[andflemcol]

i understand the concept existing that we are paying for time and not services. Escorts would advertise the services they provide during the time booked. Some of those services advertised will be YMMV. Bill C36 will make everything YMMV resulting in no guarantee a client would receive the service they are seeking.

I trust that the escorts that I have gotten to know would provide the same excellent service as they have been providing in the past but I think some less respectable escorts would use the new laws to provide substandard service. They would simply say that they never offered a particular or possibly any form of sex act.

I wonder if this might work. The understanding is that a client pays for time. During the conversation, the client says what he likes to do with women. The escort can reply that "yes, I like that" or "no I don't like that". In this scenario, the escort has not advertised or said that she offers that kind of service. Just that she likes it. This would be a sign to the client that she does this or does not do this. This was just a thought as I was typing this.

 

[out4fun]

I'm not sure how the lady advertises her services will be particularly relevant, as there will be nothing illegal about the sale of services. I think I'll stay on the sidelines for a few months and see what happens. I'm not a frequent hobbiest, a few times a year maybe - so I'll wait and see if this is all a big deal about nothing. I'll be pretty surprised if this bill gets enforced to the letter of the law.

 

[Willow Samoan]

I'm not sure how the lady advertises her services will be particularly relevant, as there will be nothing illegal about the sale of services. I think I'll stay on the sidelines for a few months and see what happens. I'm not a frequent hobbiest, a few times a year maybe - so I'll wait and see if this is all a big deal about nothing. I'll be pretty surprised if this bill gets enforced to the letter of the law.

It will be illegal for gentlemen to exchange sexual services for money. The new law will effect the gentlemen more than the ladies (that's my understanding, anyway). For some boards that ladies advertise on, they will only allow companions and known prostitutes will not be allowed the use of those boards. If those boards are the main source of your income, well, it's time for a change...

What I'm not sure of is: if it is in fact illegal to sell sexual services (the wording of this part of the law is confusing to me). So when I'm not sure about something, I take the better be safe than sorry stance, feel the situation out, and tweak things when I am 100% sure/confident in the situation (I don't know if others feel the same as me). With that being said, some escorts/companions will remove all talk regarding sex and gentlemen will either have to read between the lines, or go in blindly, so to speak. I can see this being frustrating and just want to have some honest opinions about this topic; as this may be the new escorting, I mean companion norm. ​

 

[Celticman]

I'm not sure how the lady advertises her services will be particularly relevant, as there will be nothing illegal about the sale of services. I think I'll stay on the sidelines for a few months and see what happens. I'm not a frequent hobbiest, a few times a year maybe - so I'll wait and see if this is all a big deal about nothing. I'll be pretty surprised if this bill gets enforced to the letter of the law.

It will be enforced to the letter of the law. Without doubt. The question is how often, where, and who will be the unlucky bastard(s) that will run a foul of it.

 

[jonskis]

It will be enforced to the letter of the law. Without doubt. The question is how often, where, and who will be the unlucky bastard(s) that will run a foul of it.

Good question. I see here though http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/10/31...irst-time-since-key-sex-trade-laws-overturned that Ottawa is the only place in Canada at the moment that has decided to pick this battle based on 2 other parts of the Criminal Code, which are cited at the end of the news item as follows: "After extensive consultation with its own experts and Crown prosecutors, Ottawa police have devised a way to continue the sweeps. There are still two charges which haven't been struck down -- impeding traffic for the purpose of prostitution and stop vehicle for the purpose of prostitution. Both just minor, summary offences -- but just enough to keep the sweeps going."

 

[squeezer]

It will be very difficult for unknown ladies. This bill ties their hands and is truly unfair for the young lady trying to pay her tuition or feed her children.

No written trail must be present. Perhaps book for a massage and as some have mentioned in the US, the sex workers undresses before any money is exchanged. An officer attempting a sting would never remove her clothing. If it is an officer attempting to book the SP, they are safe because they cannot be charged.

 

[burnski6868]

Am I being nieve with my impression that this new bill and all the police stings are geared more towards street walkers and Johns who pick up street walkers, more so than hobbyists who book escorts? If I am being nieve please let me have it......as im ok with being scared straight.

thanks

 

[Hotchilly]

I am with LRH and also with Peachy. I am not planning to take chances, of two kinds. The first is that when I approach a new SP that I do not know, I do not want to take too much of a chance that the session may not be good so I will be much less inclined to take risks with my time and money. The second and most important, is, I am not even slightly inclined to assume that LE will only go after the street scene and ignore hobbyists like most of the people on Terb. That may be true and it may be untrue and it can change in an instant.

So, I may have to totally stop seeing unknown SPs. Simply NOT talking in detail in pre-meeting texts or calls will not cut it. Already, we collectively do not provide or receive much detail. In the near future, it will be far far less. Not a good situation for hobbyists.

 

[squeezer]

. Already, we collectively do not provide or receive much detail. In the near future, it will be far far less. Not a good situation for hobbyists.

Nor for the working girl's safety and that is exactly why this should be quashed in the SCC.

 

[LikeRedHeads]

Am I being nieve with my impression that this new bill and all the police stings are geared more towards street walkers and Johns who pick up street walkers, more so than hobbyists who book escorts? If I am being nieve please let me have it......as im ok with being scared straight.

thanks

what you are mentioning is the old law. The new Law targets hobbyists who book through any means.

 

[Mable]

With the old law, whether you want to believe it or not, LE could get you , the Hobbyist, almost any way they wanted if they wanted. The thing is it has always been the case that LE is not much interested in "our kind " of Hobbying; that is, engagements on consent with no violence in private and off of the street. Once there is a complaint, however, or a nuisance, then LE move. So in many ways the Hobbyist was always at sufferance to the cops. (Just one example: a street walker was held to be operating out of a common bawdy house when she used the same area of a public park repeatedly). But the laws got tossed because, for the most part, there was violence in the streets and the ladies had their rights violated. They were not safe. (See S.C.C.) The proposed new law is in large part designed, at least theoretically, to give the SP some protection. My personal thinking is that the attitudes of LE have not changed; there are simply not enough resources and time for the cops to monitor the industry, in general. And they do not care. They will still go after the obvious criminal activity and COMPLAINTS! THAT is where it gets scary for me. If the Hobbyist does not know the lady he is setting himself up for blackmail, violence (pimps) , extortion and just a lot of grief if the lady is so inclined to make his life difficult. Use your imagination on that last one. To sum it up: perhaps if you are a respectful gentleman, contact the lady in private, have an encounter that is mutually beneficial, pay her, and leave her with a smile on her face, you will be alright. If you are the "bad type", try to stiff her (at least on payment issues), hurt her and such, then you might want to look over your shoulder from time to time. And stay off of the streets. If you delve into the unknown, be prepared and proceed with extreme caution. Just my take.

 

[Capital Amatuer]

I remember when the government first introduced the GST in the 90's. I went to a seminar looking for some clarification. Many of the audience were livid about this new 7% additional tax they had to pay on purchases. There were two obvious characteristics the audience overlooked. First, the (flat-rate) GST was replacing the hidden (variable) federal taxes already buried the prices of commodities. And second, if you were a GST registered entity you received input tax credits for the GST you paid. The GST brought universal rates, transparency to federal manufacturing tax and short-term financing to the government. Try going back to the federal manufacturing tax now.

The new law is meant to achieve a goal we consumers don't quite grasp or appreciate yet. It puts the balance of power into the sellers' market. It's not illegal to sell, it's illegal to buy. Under-aged, trafficked, and coerced sellers will now have a louder voice, more power, and less conditions to be met. The sellers simply have to claim this person bought x but they took y & z. For instance, say a client visited an escort who did not provide unprotected sex (or any other restricted service), but the client forced it. The escort can now claim the client paid for sexual services. Doesn’t that approach now offer a wider, safer umbrella for the provider? This is my understanding of what the proposed law is trying to achieve. Too much power in the sellers’ hand may leave room for blackmail and other ill side-effects the buyer may not be expecting. Caveat emptor.

My interpretation could be wrong. There are a lot of cause and effect situations to be explored and tested. We’ll have to wait and see how law enforcement interprets the legislation. In the mean time, stay with trusted and reputable providers who claim they have chosen this path of their own accord.

 

[Willow Samoan]

My interpretation could be wrong. There are a lot of cause and effect situations to be explored and tested. We’ll have to wait and see how law enforcement interprets the legislation. In the mean time, stay with trusted and reputable providers who claim they have chosen this path of their own accord.

Thank you for your response and the thoughtful way you have explained your understanding. Especially the comment you have written, that I quoted. That's my sentiments exactly. I want to test the waters to see what's to come of this, as I'm not a fortune teller. Perhaps, I'm being overzealous, but that's my initial gut reaction. I want to be safe and I want the safety of my clients. When I feel more secure about this new law/situation, I can always tweak things and be more liberal. ​

 

[AmberRose]

Sorry to throw myself in here!

Everytime I've had an in-depth discussion of the new law with anyone, whether it's other escorts or people working in organizations such as Chez Stella, the one thing everyone has at least been able to come to agree on is that this new law is almost 90% the exact same laws that were already is place before, they are just rephrasing them in a way that will scare the clientele away, and they're doing a fine job at that!

Hobbyists and Clients were already illegal before, like Mable said, they could have gotten you back then too, they just didn't bother that much unless they needed to.
Also, prostitution in general, will be illegal too. The actual act of selling sex may not be, but every single action leading it up to pretty much will be. But like before, this is the same almost as the old laws!

Really, not all that much is changing with the new law, it's just a way for them to try and scare everyone in an attempt to put an end to prostitution(like that will ever happen!)

All-in-all, from what I've gathered, SP's for the most part should be able to continue doing what they were doing before, just be a little more skeptical of who you're seeing, just in case. The ladies might not really be able to advertise a menu of services online, but should be able to discuss certain things over phone, text, email like before. And unless the cops get a whole bunch of free time and money all of a sudden, they aren't going to worry themselves too much on consenting adults doing what they like with each other. When(if) the new Bill passes, they may do a sort of "sweep" just to show they're serious about it, and then things should settle back down. Or maybe I'm too naive!

Just my two cents on the matter!

 

[Vs_81]

I don't think there will be any problem advertising and listing sexual services in the ad after all you are advertising in escorts section that automatically means you are selling sexual services.

My strategy is that for couple of months I will see only reviewed girls and that protects me from any kind of bait girls ( undercover cop pretending to be escort ). I think that will be enough to be not fallen in the hands of LE or any blackmailer escort. Another option, which I am not too sure about, is to see girls from reputed agencies like PK or EH so you know she is not a police bait or blackmailer. This means we need lot more reviews anyways. What do you guys say, will this strategy work?

 

[Hector17]

I am with LRH and also with Peachy. I am not planning to take chances, of two kinds. The first is that when I approach a new SP that I do not know, I do not want to take too much of a chance that the session may not be good so I will be much less inclined to take risks with my time and money. The second and most important, is, I am not even slightly inclined to assume that LE will only go after the street scene and ignore hobbyists like most of the people on Terb. That may be true and it may be untrue and it can change in an instant.

So, I may have to totally stop seeing unknown SPs. Simply NOT talking in detail in pre-meeting texts or calls will not cut it. Already, we collectively do not provide or receive much detail. In the near future, it will be far far less. Not a good situation for hobbyists.

I agree with you. I am going to just stay with ladies I know. I may try to meet a couple more that I like shortly, but otherwise I'd think that if you were approaching an "undercover" and think you needed all these menu questions answered, that, YES...they'd be answered to keep you on the hook. Perhaps it will be the more the subtle ladies that will be the best ones to trust.