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happ

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How does the taxi industry get away with limiting licenses handed out and driving up fares. Why cant anyone who is qualifed simply get a license to drive creating more supply on the roads.
 

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How does the taxi industry get away with limiting licenses handed out and driving up fares. Why cant anyone who is qualifed simply get a license to drive creating more supply on the roads.
Many industries cap licenses. Its a control of supply/demand & nuisance. Imagine unlimited taxis? Or vendor permits for hotdogs? Or strip clubs or massage parlors?
 

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It seems every week I read a story about some Uber driver raping or beating a fare somewhere in the states. I'll take over-regulated, licensed and safe, thankyewverymuch.
 

happ

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Many industries cap licenses. Its a control of supply/demand & nuisance. Imagine unlimited taxis? Or vendor permits for hotdogs? Or strip clubs or massage parlors?
But demand far outstrips supply to the point where people wait for a bus in the cold because they cant afford a cab.

It seems every week I read a story about some Uber driver raping or beating a fare somewhere in the states. I'll take over-regulated, licensed and safe, thankyewverymuch.
Bullshit, lots of satisfied uber customers.

In New York, having a "driver" is common not sure how that works.
 

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Taxi drivers pay a fortune for their licenses! Especially the grandfathered Ambassador taxis! The reason fares go up is mostly because gas prices have spiked so much the past 5, 7, 10yrs. If that's the issue, complain to our lovely gov who exports Alberta oil & allows us to buy it back at ridiculous prices. Its not the cabbies fault. You wouldn't wait so long for a bus if our transit system actually met city-needs.
 

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Bullshit, lots of satisfied uber customers.
Didn't say there weren't. But there are rapes and beatings too. On a related note, there are lots of people who think airbnb is the bee's knees. And there are some who get robbed, or who have their apartments turned into a porn set. Bottom line is, if you think an unregulated free market of bottom feeders is the best thing regardless of the industry, you are an idiot.
 

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Those licenses are often the only source of income for widows of cab drivers killed in the line of duty.
thats a nice thought...

Except most of the Standard medallions are owned by a few very wealthy families that rent them out. That's why they created the Ambasssador medallions. They are much cheaper to buy, but cannot be transferred, sold or rented out.

None of that matters now anyways. The commission voted a couple years ago to allow ambassadors the right to sell Thier plates. Imagine how you'd feel if you just paid $300k for a plate and the guy who invested $25,000 suddenly got most of the same rights to business as you?

I love Uber. Great service.
 

Smallcock

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Use Uber instead. I've used it several times and always a good experience. So much more convenient than traditional taxi too.
 

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Use Uber instead. I've used it several times and always a good experience. So much more convenient than traditional taxi too.
How is Uber different than calling ie. Beck and asking for a cab (which is what I do now)?
 

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thats a nice thought...

Except most of the Standard medallions are owned by a few very wealthy families that rent them out. That's why they created the Ambasssador medallions. They are much cheaper to buy, but cannot be transferred, sold or rented out.

None of that matters now anyways. The commission voted a couple years ago to allow ambassadors the right to sell Thier plates. Imagine how you'd feel if you just paid $300k for a plate and the guy who invested $25,000 suddenly got most of the same rights to business as you?

I love Uber. Great service.
Well, not a couple of years ago, they could sell as of July 1st this year. Then the plate falls under a new class TTL (Toronto Taxi Lic.) and has to be attached to "Wheel chair accessible vehicle" about 50k. "Few wealthy families" not the case anymore, day by day owner operator (one plate one owner).

Uber, at the end of the day, everyone one will pay more for their ride. No checks done on drivers, on cars, insurance etc, there is a lot to the cab business, but public is very misinformed.

If you want the real truth, ask me, I have the rights answers.
 

Smallcock

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How is Uber different than calling ie. Beck and asking for a cab (which is what I do now)?
-you know where exactly where the cab is from you in real time thanks to the gps map
-you can call or text the driver directly since it provides the drivers name and phone number
-you don't need cash, the uber app charges your credit card that you have on file on the app (and tip amount which you can set), so you just hop in and out of the cab without ever needing your wallet
-if you want to roll like a baller you can choose to be picked up in a black car

Traditional cab companies have launched lawsuits all over the world against uber because they cannot compete with uber.
 

GPIDEAL

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Many industries cap licenses. Its a control of supply/demand & nuisance. Imagine unlimited taxis? Or vendor permits for hotdogs? Or strip clubs or massage parlors?
Is it the industry or the government that caps licenses?

In Las Vegas, I remember way back, a cabbie telling me that Steve Wynn owned all the cabs and controlled the numbers too.
 

solidness

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Is it the industry or the government that caps licenses?

In Las Vegas, I remember way back, a cabbie telling that Steve Wynn owned all the cabs and controlled the numbers too.
In Toronto, municipal licensing and standards (MLS).

Not the industry.
 

GPIDEAL

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Taxi drivers pay a fortune for their licenses! Especially the grandfathered Ambassador taxis! The reason fares go up is mostly because gas prices have spiked so much the past 5, 7, 10yrs. If that's the issue, complain to our lovely gov who exports Alberta oil & allows us to buy it back at ridiculous prices. Its not the cabbies fault. You wouldn't wait so long for a bus if our transit system actually met city-needs.
The government is no longer in the oil business. I think it's cheaper to refine outside of Canada (we would have to build more refineries perhaps), and I doubt that we can consume all that is produced. Don't forget we still pay less than Europe and elsewhere. But I still bitch as well, because the oligopoly seems like they're charging more than is necessary to sustain exploration and production.
 

happ

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U can get a $30 coupon online for your first uber ride, is that the max discount? Uber has a free estimator so u can c cost before booking, seems slightly cheaper than a taxi.
ya their black sedans r like limos. saw a guy with a hot chick in back seat of one i was thinkin is this new york then i realized it was probably uber when my buddy ordered up a lincoln from them. the sedans cost more but not so much. they also have suv option and luxury e.g. mercedes
 

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Is it the industry or the government that caps licenses?

In Las Vegas, I remember way back, a cabbie telling that Steve Wynn owned all the cabs and controlled the numbers too.
One cannot hold this discussion without mentioning Mel Lastman and his buddies buying up the licences in the 60s. He made a fortune from them.
 
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