Message and question from terri jean bedford....

[Viggo Rasmussen]

Vic Toews was the previous Minister of Justice and Attorney General in Harper's cabinet.

We already have proof of Vic Toews fucking his babysitter and fathering her child, it's public information from his divorce proceedings. He was also fined and convicted for violating election financial rules. The hypocrite ran on having strong family values.

The consequences? Last spring he was appointed a judge in Manitoba by Peter MacKay.

 

[MPAsquared]

Vic Toews was the previous Minister of Justice and Attorney General in Harper's cabinet.

We already have proof of Vic Toews fucking his babysitter and fathering her child, it's public information from his divorce proceedings. He was also fined and convicted for violating election financial rules. The hypocrite ran on having strong family values.

The consequences? Last spring he was appointed a judge in Manitoba by Peter MacKay.

Holy moses. You know, I hadn't paid too much attention to politics beyond my own bubble. But after all this with c36, I'm baffled, shocked, and frankly ashamed of our political/justice systems. I thought Canada stood for much more.

 

[TeasePlease]

Vic Toews was the previous Minister of Justice and Attorney General in Harper's cabinet.

We already have proof of Vic Toews fucking his babysitter and fathering her child, it's public information from his divorce proceedings. He was also fined and convicted for violating election financial rules. The hypocrite ran on having strong family values.

The consequences? Last spring he was appointed a judge in Manitoba by Peter MacKay.

To be clear, there was outrage over his appointment, but NOT because he's a scoundrel or a hypocrite. The only fuss was raised in public was that he was appointed too soon after he resigned from political office and had not satisfied the customary cooling off period.

Harper is way past throwing them under the bus.

He's graduated to throwing them to the wolves.

I tossed this about in my head. I don't know if he would. He still needs the votes. My guess is that he would lean on the member to vote in line...and if he didn't, then he would toss them out.

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

I tossed this about in my head. I don't know if he would. He still needs the votes. My guess is that he would lean on the member to vote in line...and if he didn't, then he would toss them out.

There's a long line of Conservatives that Harper has tossed under the bus to distance himself from scandals. Some have been cabinet ministers.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

So if doctors don't get their way, should they out their patients?

Should ISP's out their clients to hollywood producers tracking bootlegging?

Should police give out non convicted arrests in background checks?

When and where does it stop? Who decides when and where the line is drawn?

I hope that person is NOT Ms. Bedford!

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

So if doctors don't get their way, should they out their patients?

If the patient is creating a law to make criminals out of the doctors for a procedure the patient is secretly having.... maybe?

 

[escapefromstress]

To be honest, you can send all the stuff you want to anyone you wish.

When we get a message from Ms. Sarah, do not even read it and then delete lol

You gotta learn to tell the truth CC. I still have your reply in my inbox here.

Too bad you ignored me on perb, because I'm the 'hotel lady' there that people refer newbies to when they need a list of safe hotels to work in. We could have teamed up to help a lot of Vancouver ladies.

Back to the topic of this thread - I haven't seen you publicly post your views on the subject of outing. I'm sure many terb members are curious to hear what an experienced veteran in the industry, such as yourself, has to say. What would you advise Ms. Bedford to do?

 

[**Sophie**]

I just came across this thread, can someone please explain to me in Sesame Street English what exactly this bill means??

Thank you

 

[escapefromstress]

I just came across this thread, can someone please explain to me in Sesame Street English what exactly this bill means??

Thank you

Start reading here: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...n-prostitution-related-laws-opinions-comments

Many of us are struggling to understand what's going on Sophie, and when 'we' have it figured out and confirmed by legal experts, we will do our best to help everyone understand.

 

[squeezer]

So if doctors don't get their way, should they out their patients?

If you need glasses or have dizzy spells they do out you to the MTO and have your license revoked for the greater good of society.

Should ISP's out their clients to hollywood producers tracking bootlegging?

I hope not but one never really knows.. Some people have been receiving large bills for exactly this and where have they been getting the IP info from??


Should police give out non convicted arrests in background checks?

They do now, many are being victimized by exactly this practice which is wrong, so wrong.

When and where does it stop? Who decides when and where the line is drawn?

When the hypocrites bringing in a draconian law and are brought to their knees crying for forgiveness because they were outed would be a good start.

I hope that person is NOT Ms. Bedford!

I'm sure there are more with lot's of names that can shed light on the Reform Party of Canada

I'm sorry but I can't have sympathy for any of these idiots. I sat through and watched the committee hearings, the Senate hearings and seeing their smug righteous faces berating everyone who wasn't on their side was disgusting.

 

[Siocnarf]

Part of me would love to see this happen. Not just the client politicians, but also the husbands of the female Con who are pushing this bill. See how they like their families being destroyed by accusations. But the logical part of me thinks it's not a good idea to do it. I think it's enough to make the point that it's possible to do it.

And how exactly is she going to PROVE THIS? Does she have video evidence? Credit card receipts? Did she keep a log book?

The way I see it, in the past it was not a crime to be a client, so there is no point trying to prove if sex actually happened. This is not meant to be a case for a trial. Just proving that politician A was in contact with escort B would be enough for Mr and Mrs Public to know what happened. That's essentially as much evidence as they can usually have on any client.

 

[escapefromstress]

To make a long story short, Copycraigs told her that I would call Go Daddy and pay for her very own site to out whoever she pleases.

The catch is that I am the Super Moderator and can edit or delete as I please.

Well I'm sure we'd all appreciate if you keep us updated on your status with that.

I have to ask - can you see how some might view this as a 'conflict of interest', given your present business endeavors?

Have you thought about how will it reflect on Fred's boards if you become the next 'Nik Richie'?

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

Have you thought about how will it reflect on Fred's boards if you become the next 'Nik Richie'?

He's almost there, I'm sure people are keeping a close watch.

 

[escapefromstress]

He's almost there, I'm sure people are keeping a close watch.

I'd love to hear some of our industry experts weigh in on the subject.

Please feel free to discuss folks, as this could have a huge impact on the future of the industry. Perb and merb members are following the discussion as well.

If Ms. Bedford does decide to go forward with outing some clients, someone will have to assist her. Should it be someone from inside or outside the industry?

 

[susi]

I just came across this thread, can someone please explain to me in Sesame Street English what exactly this bill means??

Thank you

here's a Q&A sheet developed by PIVOT Legal in Vancouver which we found useful in understanding what the bill means.

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n...inal/1404320254/C36_Info_Sheet.pdf?1404320254

it will also change from region to region. here in vancouver, that's the city of vancouver proper, we have struck an agreement with police and they have agreed to honor it no matter the outcome of these legislative changes. the city has also agreed that sex industry businesses need to exist and that they will not target adult consensual sex workers or businesses.

http://vancouver.ca/police/assets/pdf/reports-policies/sex-enforcement-guidelines.pdf

this comes after 12 years of fighting for a seat at the table and finally forcing mainstream systems to recognize they have been duped by anti trafficking fanatics and feminazi's.

that's vancouver though...in burnaby which is a neighboring town...like scarborough .... they have RCMP not local police and they are already amping up to "combat human trafficking"...we are working on engagement with the cities around us but have very limited resources and of course...it took 12 years to get to where we are .....not sure that i have another 12 years of advocacy in me....maybe.....

anyway, i fear alot for those places where engagement with mainstream systems has not really begun and wish there was more that could be done....

we are working on challenging the process that lead to this bill but after meeting with senator jaffer we are convinced its going through and there is nothing we can do but brace for it.

remember, many of the old tactics will still help, like be discreet in ads - not to overt in what is being offered, choose discreet locations to work from - ie highrise buildings - there's lots more info here www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com

hope this helps people, please feel free to message me with any questions or concerns.

susie in vancouver

 

[black booty lover]

Holy moses. You know, I hadn't paid too much attention to politics beyond my own bubble. But after all this with c36, I'm baffled, shocked, and frankly ashamed of our political/justice systems. I thought Canada stood for much more.

This is why I don't vote for the most part. Being a politician is simply getting paid to lie well....

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

This is why I don't vote for the most part. Being a politician is simply getting paid to lie well....

Have to say, I use to be a non voter. Felt it didn't matter. I learned that was not the case.

You should really vote.

 

[black booty lover]

Have to say, I use to be a non voter. Felt it didn't matter. I learned that was not the case.

You should really vote.

Really??? Cause the last time I voted, it was for the liberals who wasted my money with that gas plant scandal.

This time, I WOULD have voted for PC (just couldn't make it to voting station on time), who would have fucked me by trying to pass a bill that I'm totally against.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Really??? Cause the last time I voted, it was for the liberals who wasted my money with that gas plant scandal.

This time, I WOULD have voted for PC (just couldn't make it to voting station on time), who would have fucked me by trying to pass a bill that I'm totally against.

Then can you really bitch at all about what happens in our country in the future if you are not voting? Just because you make a mistake in your vote doesn't mean you should stop. You can do what you like, but if you don't vote, then you are giving away your right to speak up, to command accountability, to set future laws.

You don't have to. You are right, but I think you should.

 

[black booty lover]

Then can you really bitch at all about what happens in our country in the future if you are not voting? Just because you make a mistake in your vote doesn't mean you should stop. You can do what you like, but if you don't vote, then you are giving away your right to speak up, to command accountability, to set future laws.

This is one way to look at it, another is, no matter which one of these jack ass's I give my vote to, I seem to get fucked so I'm no longer going to empower any of them on my own behalf, to fuck me over. Ill let the rest of the country vote, and let the chips fall were they may.