It's some of that and also a reduction in the amount of space (airlines adding an extra row to maximize revenue) that makes that an issue now where it wasn't before!
Passengers that get angry when you recline your seats: rant
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It's some of that and also a reduction in the amount of space (airlines adding an extra row to maximize revenue) that makes that an issue now where it wasn't before!
Once upon a time, air travel was a luxury service, generally limited to the higher income people. Tickets were priced accordingly and the service matched. Today everyone and his dog flies. My grandfather never flew. My father first flew when he was over 65. My son logged more miles in the air by the time he was 7 than my father did in his entire life. Air travel is now, and has been for 20 years, part of the mass consumer market. Most travelers, especially the older crowd, love to complain, but are too cheap to pay for the premium service. If an airline began operating a "business class only" series of flights, with extra space in the cabin, and a return to full meal and beverage service, with the tickets priced accordingly, they would be out of business in no time.
Looks like we have another one...http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel...ashamed-of-his-behaviour-20140904-10canc.html
Was not aware of the Knee Defender devices...
To get around this I usually prebook my seats as close to front as possible and try to get the exit row seats. Although there is a charge of like $60 per flight it is worth it. I find it that passengers near the front are typically more respectfull vs. passengers in the middle and back and sometimes resemble a bunch of animals.
Was not aware of the Knee Defender devices...
To get around this I usually prebook my seats as close to front as possible and try to get the exit row seats. Although there is a charge of like $60 per flight it is worth it. I find it that passengers near the front are typically more respectfull vs. passengers in the middle and back and sometimes resemble a bunch of animals.
...and another one...lol...wtf this is becoming contagious..http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel...re-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o&sa=D&usg=ALhdy28zsr6qiq.
I have long legs. When the person in front reclines, the seat rests on my knees. Air travel is uncomfortable enough. I ask them to put it up. If they refuse I spend the rest of the flight punching and smacking the back of the seat. The seat soon returns to its upright position.
I hope I sit in front of you on a flight. I'm good at that game too. You'll be even more miserable than you would if my chair was back.
I think it is this. More and more people are rude, insensitive and have a feeling of entitlement. You see these parents passing these traits to the children all the time. Any attempt of schools to try to correct this behaviour by children is often quickly rebuked by parents...with a 'don't tell me how to raise my kids'. Civility and patience are dying virtues.
If the passenger in front of you complained, you would probably get thrown off the plane, and you would deserve it.
I'm 6-3 and I fly all the time.
No one has ever said a word to me if I recline and I've never said a word to anyone in front of me who has reclined. It startles me at first, but I quickly get used to it.
If the seat reclines, then it is anyone's right to recline. I've never even thought about complaining.
My big bitch with airline seats is how uncomfortable they are period. I've never sat in a comfortable well designed, well made seat in an air plane. They can make comfortable car seats, but not airplane seats. I fly the Toronto Montreal route often and those air Canada planes are OLD. They are the mulroney air buses still (I always check out the date of manufacture on the commission plate on the door). The seats are all dish shaped from decades of asses sitting in them and no upgrading ever.
Flying is the worst mode of transport. That's probably the main reason people are so ignorant on a plane- the dehumanising process that goes with flying. Every step of the way is tiring and you get treated like shit and the airline employees don't care 1 bit, especially on the ground side
No one has ever said a word to me if I recline and I've never said a word to anyone in front of me who has reclined. It startles me at first, but I quickly get used to it.
If the seat reclines, then it is anyone's right to recline. I've never even thought about complaining.
My big bitch with airline seats is how uncomfortable they are period. I've never sat in a comfortable well designed, well made seat in an air plane. They can make comfortable car seats, but not airplane seats. I fly the Toronto Montreal route often and those air Canada planes are OLD. They are the mulroney air buses still (I always check out the date of manufacture on the commission plate on the door). The seats are all dish shaped from decades of asses sitting in them and no upgrading ever.
Flying is the worst mode of transport. That's probably the main reason people are so ignorant on a plane- the dehumanising process that goes with flying. Every step of the way is tiring and you get treated like shit and the airline employees don't care 1 bit, especially on the ground side
I have recently flown with the BA dream linear to London and was surprised at how comfortable the whole experience was. Seats were more comfy, more room, entertainment system enjoyable and just the little touches they do with the dimming/control of the lights that made it a trully enjoyable experience for the very first time. Other Airline that come close was Air Tahiti Nui. But yeah I agree most planes suck for comfort.
For as many decades as it took airline managers to figure they could build entire careers on increasing their company's bottom line by stealing the 'non-revenue' space it takes to recline a seat. Next Passenger Milestone to watch for: When the first manager convinces her airline that it's a waste of potential profit to buy reclining mechanisms at all. But then we plebs and peons can 'hope' for the 'enhanced service' opportunity to purchase temporary access to seats that do recline. At a premium of course.
Every civilized person's real hope should be for businesses managed by real, ordinary thoughtful folk and not the sort of "fuckturd, trailer-park" pirates who are blind to everyone but their own advantage whenever there's a whisper of profit in the air. About as much chance of that, as flying—or going anywhere—without encountering their angry and resentful victims.
But best of luck in your plaintive wish, whitey.
I have a friend who as soon as they get into their seats they point he air jet forward, full open and down to a position that will hit the person that reclines on the top of the head. They do not recline for long.
I never recline and would prefer if the person in front of me did not either but I live with it when I have to
I never recline and would prefer if the person in front of me did not either but I live with it when I have to
Unfolding a large newspaper that overtops the reclined seat can also be an effective compromise encourager,
"Oh, so sorry. If you could just move your seatback a little more upright I'm sure I'd have room to fold the paper a bit smaller for you."
I've been called back to deal with passenger disputes and seen laptops destroyed by a reclined seat. It was open and when the seat was jammed rearward, the laptop screen got stuck in the clasp for the table tray and the pressure was too much for the laptop to handle. Yes, the seats are designed to recline, but the seats aren't built by the same people that decide how many seats can be crammed into an airplane. If someone wants to work, I agree, they should be upgraded to business class. But the moral of this story is recline slowly.
It's easy to say "I paid for it, they can pay for an upgrade," but if you think about it, should someone that's born taller be forced to pay extra to travel just because of their genetics?
Air travel, like most of life, goes a lot smoother if we show some courtesy. I'm 6'2". I've been on some planes where a reclining seat in front of me just didn't work. Now as a pilot travelling on flight benefits, I can usually get a free upgrade to another seat, even one inside the cockpit, but sometimes the plane is literally full. I have no problem if people in front of me want to recline if everything fits. But sometimes it doesn't. That's not their fault, but it isn't mine either.
It SHOULD be about the greater good, or the lesser harm. You want to recline to go from mild discomfort to milder discomfort. The person behind you may go from mild discomfort to extreme discomfort when you do. If the person behind you is 5'2", absolutely, you have the right to recline. But when I'm called back for a dispute and I see some guy with 6 empty whiskey's in full recline squishing a 6'5" guy who is literally having his knees compressed, I tell the guy to quit being an ass and put his seat up. Airlines will do what they can, including moving people, but even when there are empty seats, moving people isn't always feasible.
Don't be an entitled prick. Use common sense. You don't gain much from reclining, are you really going to start a fight about it? On an aircraft? Where we've seen what the result of fights can be? If it's feasible to recline, fine. But if the person in front of you is reclining and you're physically able to move, deal with it. If you reclining causes someone physical pain, don't. A little understanding and selflessness goes a long way.
It's easy to say "I paid for it, they can pay for an upgrade," but if you think about it, should someone that's born taller be forced to pay extra to travel just because of their genetics?
Air travel, like most of life, goes a lot smoother if we show some courtesy. I'm 6'2". I've been on some planes where a reclining seat in front of me just didn't work. Now as a pilot travelling on flight benefits, I can usually get a free upgrade to another seat, even one inside the cockpit, but sometimes the plane is literally full. I have no problem if people in front of me want to recline if everything fits. But sometimes it doesn't. That's not their fault, but it isn't mine either.
It SHOULD be about the greater good, or the lesser harm. You want to recline to go from mild discomfort to milder discomfort. The person behind you may go from mild discomfort to extreme discomfort when you do. If the person behind you is 5'2", absolutely, you have the right to recline. But when I'm called back for a dispute and I see some guy with 6 empty whiskey's in full recline squishing a 6'5" guy who is literally having his knees compressed, I tell the guy to quit being an ass and put his seat up. Airlines will do what they can, including moving people, but even when there are empty seats, moving people isn't always feasible.
Don't be an entitled prick. Use common sense. You don't gain much from reclining, are you really going to start a fight about it? On an aircraft? Where we've seen what the result of fights can be? If it's feasible to recline, fine. But if the person in front of you is reclining and you're physically able to move, deal with it. If you reclining causes someone physical pain, don't. A little understanding and selflessness goes a long way.
You're a pilot who's been taken from your proper responsibilities to deal with the consequences of the stupid decisions of "…people that decide how many seats can be crammed into an airplane," without the elementary smarts to consider "…the seats are designed to recline" beyond a tolerable degree for average humans (5'9"males, 5'6" females). What has been your feedback, and the feedback of cabin staff to those people you work with? What response came back?
We hoi polloi must undermine every whinging complaint we make every time we buy another ticket we can afford. Even if we say, "I won't fly!", what's one less passenger?
"Where else will Mr. el Cheapo go? Our skinny seat-pitch is already industry-standard".
But if pilots say, 'Fix this. When we're playing peacemaker and referee, we're not flying. And you do want us flying, don't you?' that sounds a whole lot more serious to my way of thinking.
Even better would be not needing to fix what was only broken by the stupid greed of those who lead, but…. We can't have everything can we?
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PS: Besides just being polite, any helpful advice on get 'upgraded' to a merely functional seat because the human genetics (that customer service is to prissy to ask about, and gate attendants are too rushed and harried to deal with) has made tall, stout folks who frequently get assigned unusable seats together?
I do a fair number of trips to London. Have never flown BA. How are their prices compared to AC and Transat?
I'm curious why the tall people should pay more. Why not those who 'need' to recline? Seems far more reasonable to me.
Lovely......lure the pilot out of his cockpit with a fake passenger scuffle near the back.....great start to a jihadists take over of the entire plane. I can picture how easily that could be orchestrated. The freaking pilot should be locked up front and STAY up front. Wtf. Let the minion grunts sort out customer complaints. Arm them with pepper spray if that's what it takes
