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The $100,000 Club: Who's Really Making The Big Money These Days

blackrock13

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Well they went on to give Canada the highest % of Post Secondary grads in the world. I think that is pretty good proof. Canada is always top 5 in OECD-PISA testing of 65 OECD nations. You can try to talk Canada down but all the data says world leader.
For the third time, although I'm losing count, you've said the same thing, high percentage of grads mean better quality education, when on it own, it doesn't. Finland is also in the top 5 most of the time and with salaries below Canadian teachers, considered a better system requires Masters Degrees, pull their teacher from the top 10-15% of undergrads, and pay their teacher a lot less than Canada.

The perennial leaders Finland, Japan and Korea have a smaller gap between the highest and lowest scores, to some, that's far more important an indicator of quality.
 

blackrock13

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There were hearings when John Snobelen Tory education minister tried to bring school back one week early in August. Both business and the parents kicked the shit out of him and he withdrew the idea.

Go look at the record. Does it not seem passing strange to you that not one MPP let alone one party ever raises the issue? It is because more school is not popular FFS.
Nearly 20 years ago. Things do change you know.
 

Lovehobby

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For the third time, although I'm losing count, you've said the same thing, high percentage of grads mean better quality education, when on it own, it doesn't. Finland is also in the top 5 most of the time and with salaries below Canadian teachers, considered a better system requires Masters Degrees, pull their teacher from the top 10-15% of undergrads, and pay their teacher a lot less than Canada.

The perennial leaders Finland, Japan and Korea have a smaller gap between the highest and lowest scores, to some, that's far more important an indicator of quality.
I am big fan of Finland masters requirement. Canada has the lowest gap by far.

No matter how much data is thrown at you you want to try talk Canada down.
 

Lovehobby

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Lovehobby

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Another vague claim from a master. What percentage of teacher would be considered top echelon, 1%, 5%, 10%, 25%?
Most teachers in top 10%. Meaningless. All the money is in top1%
 

blackrock13

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Most teachers in top 10%. Meaningless. All the money is in top1%
Talk about chirping, what exactly did you say? Top 10% of what, top 1% of what? I guess we should be lucky it wasn't another twitter C&P.

Top tier teachers on New Zealand, with PHDs or Masters, <5% of all teachers are paid less than NZ$75,000 and yet the school system is comparable to Canada. Apparently you don't have to 10% of your teachers $120,000 ot get quality results.
 

FAST

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All you have to do is ask

I don't know what strange reality you live in, but NOBODY other than greedy teachers would complain about teachers starting a week early,...???

Just another of your profoundly ridiculous statements,...keep them coming,...!!!.

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OK,... just ask if you need my help with your reading skills,...or are you just AVOIDING as usual.

Just repeating the same BS doesn't do you any good.

Read my fricken post,...!!!

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Lovehobby

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OK,... just ask if you need my help with your reading skills,...or are you just AVOIDING as usual.

Just repeating the same BS doesn't do you any good.

Read my fricken post,...!!!

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I read your post. There is zero support for your position. Talk to yourself.

Teachers have no opposition to trimestering. None. It is parents and biz that dont want it. Inform yourself before you gas off.
 

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Assuming his neighbours would talk to him

I read your post. There is zero support for your position.
Let me get this straight,...if you were to ask all of your neighbours what they thought about having teachers start 1 week early,...assuming they weren't civil servants of course,...they would all say defiantly,... no.

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Lovehobby

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Let me get this straight,...if you were to ask all of your neighbours what they thought about having teachers start 1 week early,...assuming they weren't civil servants of course,...they would all say defiantly,... no.

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No stupid the Tories asked in community hearings. Then lost their nerve to go ahead. Business especially said no fucking way.
 

basketcase

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It puts them in the top 5%-10% of all Canadian income earners
If that does not work for then how's common sense as a metric
And what does that prove? Doctors make good money too. Are they all over paid? Of course the arguments against teachers apply doubly to politicians - extremely limited number of days in the legislature and huge pensions earned after only 2 terms in office. At least the teachers pay into their pension at 12% of their income (and have hired good fund managers).
 

basketcase

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It beats the hell out giving them to much $ & a job guarantee + a pension the next three generations will be paying for
So you are in favour of protecting bad teachers to promote your agenda? Nice.

As for the pension, the plan pays for itself. Teachers pay a big chunk of their income in and their fund is extremely well managed so yes, they get a good pension. Ontario contributes very little to it. I was reading a conservative economist a while back praising their pension plan as a model for society as a whole. I wish I could have my investment savings managed by their people.

Actually the pension is a perfect example. Instead of offering low pay to the fund managers, they decided to pay competitive salary to attract the best talent. Seems competitive pay does make for better employees.
 

basketcase

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$100K per annum isn't alot of money? Are you mad? If you earn that much in a year that puts you in the top 10% of wage earners in Canada. I don't mind if a lawyer, accountant, engineer or doctor makes that or more - the amount of education & training they have had in their disciplines demands that. ....
Sorry to burst your bubble but a P.Eng requires a 4 year degree. Teachers require 5 or 6. The rest for both is essentially on the job training.
 

JohnLarue

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The University college rate has never been higher and the high school graduation rate has never been higher. The dropouts have never been lower. Would you like me to make you look like a fool by giving you some links?
Yes I would like some links
You have a history of spewing bullshit
Again you have sidestepped the other issues
 

JohnLarue

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And what does that prove? Doctors make good money too. Are they all over paid? Of course the arguments against teachers apply doubly to politicians - extremely limited number of days in the legislature and huge pensions earned after only 2 terms in office. At least the teachers pay into their pension at 12% of their income (and have hired good fund managers).
Boy you really want to protect your wifys income

Comparing doctors & teachers are we
a 3 year BA + a year at clown college vs. 3 years pre med + four years at medical school + residency
Teachers are qualified to regurgitate a predefined curriculum 3 times a day & instruct finger painting
Doctors see up to 50 patients a day & save lives

For every teacher there are two or three lined up to replace them & enrollment is decreasing
For every doctor we have we need another & they can make more $ in the US, same with nurses & the need for more doctors is going to sky rocket
Simple supply & demand

Teachers vs. politicians , sorry can only deal with one set of parasites at a time. No fixing politicians
Hey Kathleen Wynne is a duel parasite !
She will turn on the teachers when the debt becomes unmanageable (like now)

Teachers contributing to their own pension?
So what, a defined benefit & the province is still n the hook for any pension liability
Most tax payers do have defined benefit, yet are funding the shortfall for teachers, because .....????

Finally Doctors do not threaten to withdraw services to get what they want.
They put the interest of their patients health ahead of compensation issues

Teachers use to have some of that integrity, however not this current lot

Teachers vs. doctors ?
It should be very clear where these two groups are valued by society & it is defiantly not in the same ballpark.
Teacher in the top 5-10% of all income earners is a union driven abomination that has to be corrected
 

basketcase

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Boy you really want to protect your wifys income
Not married.


I am always impressed with the moving goalposts of your arguments. First teachers are overpaid because the number of hours they work. Then Teachers are overpaid because doctors need more training.

If your argument is the amount of education required, teachers need 2 degrees (and 3 year degrees aren't accepted) and therefore deserve to be paid more than people with 1 degree.

And if politicians are planning to make cuts to others, they should be expected to go after the more egregious mooches first - themselves.

Teachers pay for their own pensions so deserve what they earn. Do you think they should be forced to give up the pension they pay for because you don't have one? Sounds like another of your communist arguments. They pay for top notch fund managers so any liability is a long long way away and there is no shortfall. Another case your imagination and just another of your pointless arguments.
 
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