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Global Warming. Fact or grossly exaggerated??

Whats your opinion on global warming?

  • Its too late! We're all gonne bake, frie and die in a few years

    Votes: 44 30.1%
  • Its not as bad as scientists say. We got at least 100 to 200 years before shit hits the fan

    Votes: 33 22.6%
  • Its not real at all. Its a carbon credit money making scam

    Votes: 45 30.8%
  • Its all a big conspiracy MAN!!!

    Votes: 9 6.2%
  • Its way too cold in Canada, I wish it were real. Start up the SUV's

    Votes: 15 10.3%

  • Total voters
    146
  • Poll closed .

blackrock13

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Are you saying the universe wasnt created at some point (whether intelligently or not)??
So your argument now seems to boil down to, since we don't yet, although who knows, how the universe was started we can't do anything about GW because we don't know all there is to know about GW.

MF2 must now know he is truly alone in this thread, as you have just self-immolated.

Might I suggest this to help you while away your day.

[video=youtube;TG_RA_IKO6g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TG_RA_IKO6g#t=12[/video]
 

groggy

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Are you saying the universe wasnt created at some point (whether intelligently or not)??
Off topic.

But we have established that you and moviefan both can't tell the difference between creationism and science, can't understand the science, can't distinguish between lobbyists and researchers and yet still think you're smarter then 97% of climatologists.
 

AK-47

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So your argument now seems to boil down to, since we don't yet, although who knows, how the universe was started we can't do anything about GW because we don't know all there is to know about GW
I didnt say any of that. And you didnt answer my question

Off topic.

But we have established that you and moviefan both can't tell the difference between creationism and science, can't understand the science, can't distinguish between lobbyists and researchers and yet still think you're smarter then 97% of climatologists
Have you considered that even 97% of the scientists can be completely wrong??

Or at the very least that maybe they overestimated global warming??
 

basketcase

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Another fabrication. I said no such thing.

I said the IPCC is driven by a political agenda.

Whether or not you accept the idea that the political agenda drives the IPCC (many do, as I showed you in post 598), there is no doubt that the political agenda plays a dominant role. Researchers who have worked on the IPCC report confirmed that, and the Nobel Institute believes it, as well.....
You may not have said it outright but you reject the science of the vast majority because you don't like what they say.

If you believe the IPCC is ignoring the evidence, it means you feel they have somehow gotten the vast majority of the scientific community to also ignore the evidence and instead publish false results.

That my friend is a conspiracy theory.
 

basketcase

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I dunno, tell me who (or what) created the entire universe??

Can you answer me that??
And god said unto Moses, let there be light and lets make it look like there's global warming when there's not.



At least your anti-science viewpoint isn't constrained to climate.

As for big bang evidence, you might start by looking at CMB radiation. The new Cosmos premiered last night. Maybe watching that would help too.
 

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Have you considered that even 97% of the scientists can be completely wrong??

Or at the very least that maybe they overestimated global warming??
Absolutely possible. It's happened before.

For them to be considered wrong though, we need evidence which refutes them. Until then, the only valid scientific conclusion is that we are driving global warming at a much faster than natural rate.
 

AK-47

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And god said unto Moses, let there be light and lets make it look like there's global warming when there's not
Not sure what you're trying to imply here, but if you think I'm religious I can assure you I'm not


Absolutely possible. It's happened before.

For them to be considered wrong though, we need evidence which refutes them. Until then, the only valid scientific conclusion is that we are driving global warming at a much faster than natural rate
And thats where we fundamentally disagree. You guys think earth is heating up fast, I call complete bullshit on that. And Climategate is a good starting point, they fudged the data and now we can't trust them anymore
 

groggy

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Have you considered that even 97% of the scientists can be completely wrong??

Or at the very least that maybe they overestimated global warming??
The chances that so many scientists who have worked for so many years could be so wrong are ridiculously small.
Thousands of scientists working for thousands of hours to be that wrong?
Nope.
 

groggy

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And thats where we fundamentally disagree. You guys think earth is heating up fast, I call complete bullshit on that. And Climategate is a good starting point, they fudged the data and now we can't trust them anymore
The stolen emails were investigated 8 times and each time they agreed there was no incriminating data or emails.
The one good thing that came of that is that the data is now freely available to all, there is nothing hidden.
 

AK-47

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The stolen emails were investigated 8 times and each time they agreed there was no incriminating data or emails.
The one good thing that came of that is that the data is now freely available to all, there is nothing hidden
That "investigation" was not objective at all. They were all trying to cover their asses

Ostrich, head, sand. I get it.
Nope. I wanna know the truth, and right now I'm not buying what they're selling
 

blackrock13

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I didn't say any of that. And you didn't answer my question


Have you considered that even 97% of the scientists can be completely wrong??

Or at the very least that maybe they overestimated global warming??
I did answer it, but you just didn't like the answer.

Is it possible that 97% of the scientist are wrong, absolutely, but it's not bloody probable. I'll take 33-1 odds any day. The odds are even longer that than now, as pointed out in an earlier post Even if they did overestimate, what the absolute worst that can happen? i'll take the science through consensus over the science through serendipity any day.
 

blackrock13

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Not sure what you're trying to imply here, but if you think I'm religious I can assure you I'm not



And thats where we fundamentally disagree. You guys think earth is heating up fast, I call complete bullshit on that. And Climategate is a good starting point, they fudged the data and now we can't trust them anymore

No one here is saying that the world is heating up fast (as compared to what is beyond me though), but it is heating up at an alarming and increasing rate compared to a hundred years or so ago.
 

groggy

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That "investigation" was not objective at all. They were all trying to cover their asses
And on which Heartland Institute funded site did you read that bullshit?
Why would you claim that 8 investigations are not valid, most of those by government bodies?
Do you have any real claims to backup such a blatantly bullshit claim?
 

blackrock13

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And god said unto Moses, let there be light and lets make it look like there's global warming when there's not.



At least your anti-science viewpoint isn't constrained to climate.

As for big bang evidence, you might start by looking at CMB radiation. The new Cosmos premiered last night. Maybe watching that would help too.
That would mean AK would have to sit still and pay attention for an hour, good luck with that.
 

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While I tend to agree with the majority of scientists who say AGW is a fact, a very smart chemical engineer friend of mine says this:

There is convincing but conflicting data. The problem is conclusively linking cause with effect. To understand the problem pick the best data from both camps to see just how difficult it is to come to a definitive conclusion. I used to be a pro global warming guy but now I am not too sure.

The reason why I think global warming is occurring is because Man is such a fuck up that we have to be complicit at some level.
 

AK-47

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And on which Heartland Institute funded site did you read that bullshit?
Why would you claim that 8 investigations are not valid, most of those by government bodies?
Do you have any real claims to backup such a blatantly bullshit claim?
Yup, its called "common sense" groggy. When you get older you'll learn to see through people's bullshit better.

The explanations that investigation gave for Climategate were laughable at best
 

groggy

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Yup, its called "common sense" groggy. When you get older you'll learn to see through people's bullshit better.

The explanations that investigation gave for Climategate were laughable at best
So when you say 'common sense' you are relying on the same line of thinking that equates creationism with science, right?

I'll take it that you have no evidence or basis other then something your read from some lobbyists site, which you can't recall or understand.
In other words, you have nothing to back up your statement.
 

AK-47

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So when you say 'common sense' you are relying on the same line of thinking that equates creationism with science, right?

I'll take it that you have no evidence or basis other then something your read from some lobbyists site, which you can't recall or understand.
In other words, you have nothing to back up your statement
Sounds like you're still butthurt you fell for my obfuscating trick a few days ago.

You gotta admit it was a clever ruse, and you fell for it hook, line and sinker
 

groggy

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Sounds like you're still butthurt you fell for my obfuscating trick a few days ago.
No, just realized I have to up my bullshit detector when talking with you.
I take it that you've given up your climategate bullshit line then.
 
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