So FUCKING bored of American women

[afterhours]

I don't know money makes a big difference. I talked to some girls, once they saw me driving an old ford focus. They never contacted me again.

if these girls themselves looked better than an old ford focus (which is about 2/10) then it seems to be pretty fair to me, no?

You can't really complain about the fact that money helps to get women. It's worse than complaining that since the invention of firearms we don't resolve our problems using our fists.

 

[canada-man]

i feel sorry for SPs who have these men as clients

 

[new_guy]

i feel sorry for SPs who have these men as clients

My car is like 2007. Not very old.

 

[Serpent]

I think Canadian women are tough. As a 28ish Asian guy, I tried to pick up women for 4 months. For me, Canadian women are toughest. US women are not bad. European women are fairly responsive. Latinas are responsive too. I initially thought people from Poland ... are racist. Now, I don't think so. In general, Canadian women are not as responsive to me. This is very bad mentality. I think black guys got game here. Not sure. I have white guy friends doing pickup. They are not getting much either, usually Asian girls.

I talked to hundreds of women this year (~200). Other than a few numbers, a date with a Mexican girl. That is it. I really think this escorting business is efficient.

I'm willing to bet that if you had a common social circle with any of those 200 women, you had a real good shot.

i think Toronto is a very closed city. very.

My friend (a PUA to the core) would hit on a dozen or women every night. He'd get 2 numbers. For that, he had a whole story about being a visiting investment banker from Zurich, had to get them drunk and he basically would BS them all night aggressively to get laid.

Another thing I noticed - the 27-32 female crowd is alone too but somehow unwilling to accept that they're not really unique in any way (well, at least to guys who are confident professionals and come from equally good backgrounds and decent looking). So the stalemate continues till somehow one gets into their social circle where they "relax" their "standards".

 

[new_guy]

Actually. Most SPs like me. I was trying to quit going to escorts, but I found pickup much harder than I thought.

I find night game very very difficult. The ratio is just out of whack in Toronto. My social circle for now is almost no-existent. I usually go for much younger girls, ~20.

 

[afterhours]

My friend (a PUA to the core) would hit on a dozen or women every night. He'd get 2 numbers. For that, he had a whole story about being a visiting investment banker from Zurich, had to get them drunk and he basically would BS them all night aggressively to get laid.

hobbying seems cheaper and more effective, unless he is 19yo or something. BSing i.e. defrauding women and drinking with them all night to me is not leisure, it's hard work.

 

[canada-man]

i feel sorry for SPs who have these men as clients

i meant to say that i feel sorry for SPs who have men who blame women for their failure to attract a mate as clients

 

[youwontknow]

I just find the dating in Toronto are pretty bad women seem more responsive outside of the city.

 

[new_guy]

I seem to blame Canadian women. But hopefully it doesn't come out like that. I found I made a lot of mistakes in terms of conversation ... But I just find Canadian women have less mercy

 

[mrsCALoki]

i feel sorry for SPs who have these men as clients

I never tried dating in Toronto, but I suspect it is a lot like US. I do not think any healthy normal looking guy on campus had trouble finding sex I sort of assume the same is true in Toronto.

The 2007 survey in Canada said the average man had 29 lovers, I pretty well know paying clients are not lovers.

Maybe it all changes after women leave school? Somehow I doubt it

 

[Serpent]

hobbying seems cheaper and more effective, unless he is 19yo or something. BSing i.e. defrauding women and drinking with them all night to me is not leisure, it's hard work.

it was hard work....i've seen him work it very, very hard. but his mindset is very different - he was a sex addict (his own admission) and each one was a conquest. he treated them very poorly after and eventually karma got him.

anyway - my point was: this guy:

a. had a head full of hair
b. wore prada and boss suits
c. made $200k
d. 6ft 2inches in height
e. worked in sales in his real job
f. engineering and MBA from top universities

That covers pretty much everything what women are supposedly supposed to like. He did get attention but he had to peacock real hard and work super fucking hard to get numbers (including lie about his job, background, everything -- nobody likes a "boring" guy). He came here from Europe and complained how women expected him to buy them drinks.

So if this guy who was a brilliant guy had to work that fucking hard, what's a regular guy supposed to do?

PS: Oh and to add, his "target demographic" was 20-25. He found them easier to get into the sack then older women. His own admission.

 

[mrsCALoki]

I seem to blame Canadian women. But hopefully it doesn't come out like that. I found I made a lot of mistakes in terms of conversation ... But I just find Canadian women have less mercy

Pity fucks are rare in developed countries.

 

[afterhours]

it was hard work....i've seen him work it very, very hard. but his mindset is very different - he was a sex addict (his own admission) and each one was a conquest. he treated them very poorly after and eventually karma got him.

anyway - my point was: this guy:

a. had a head full of hair
b. wore prada and boss suits
c. made $200k
d. 6ft 2inches in height
e. worked in sales in his real job
f. engineering and MBA from top universities

That covers pretty much everything what women are supposedly supposed to like. He did get attention but he had to peacock real hard and work super fucking hard to get numbers (including lie about his job, background, everything -- nobody likes a "boring" guy). He came here from Europe and complained how women expected him to buy them drinks.

So if this guy who was a brilliant guy had to work that fucking hard, what's a regular guy supposed to do?

that must have been because he wanted to fuck them same night or he was going for more than ten years of the age difference

otherwise he should have had more women than he could possibly fuck

 

[mrsCALoki]

it was hard work....i've seen him work it very, very hard. but his mindset is very different - he was a sex addict (his own admission) and each one was a conquest. he treated them very poorly after and eventually karma got him.

anyway - my point was: this guy:

a. had a head full of hair
b. wore prada and boss suits
c. made $200k
d. 6ft 2inches in height
e. worked in sales in his real job
f. engineering and MBA from top universities

That covers pretty much everything what women are supposedly supposed to like. He did get attention but he had to peacock real hard and work super fucking hard to get numbers (including lie about his job, background, everything -- nobody likes a "boring" guy). He came here from Europe and complained how women expected him to buy them drinks.

So if this guy who was a brilliant guy had to work that fucking hard, what's a regular guy supposed to do?

PS: Oh and to add, his "target demographic" was 20-25. He found them easier to get into the sack then older women. His own admission.

Woman's take: "He smells fishy but the drinks are nice. After several drinks WTF he may not be a fake." lol

 

[Serpent]

True. I just edited my post to say he targeted 20-25yr olds because he found them easier and more responsive. He was 32 when we would hang out in the city.

And yeah, he wanted to close that same night or create a pipeline for the next few days. Typical sales mentality.

Once he brought over a "model" who turned out to be an escort - he told her he knew how to get coke for her and that i was a movie producer with connections in the city. Shagged her that night and as usual dumped her as was his model.

this is the kinda shit that works. these women are bored, they want excitement. I think what guys here call "game", to women is excitement and something out of the ordinary from their boring lives. These chicks didn't want to talk to a "good" but "boring" guy who told them that he made 100k and had a good job and would be true to her.

PS: Another anecdote about this guy: he was banging some bitch who had a boyfriend who was an accountant in KPMG. He'd pick her up and bang her in his office at night while he went to Mississaga to spend time with his family. Then he'd take her to lounges and bars etc.

See what i mean?

 

[ballow]

Lack of money in most cases is just an excuse, and when it isn't, she did you a favour.
Shitty women are made by shitty men, and vice versa; most people are shit.
It's supply and demand, most men are tools, so the women get to be princesses.
And heven forbid you are actually looking for a relationship, now you have to bend over backwards to prove you aren't just after sex.

 

[afterhours]

True. I just edited my post to say he targeted 20-25yr olds because he found them easier and more responsive. He was 32 when we would hang out in the city.

And yeah, he wanted to close that same night or create a pipeline for the next few days. Typical sales mentality.

Once he brought over a "model" who turned out to be an escort - he told her he knew how to get coke for her and that i was a movie producer with connections in the city. Shagged her that night and as usual dumped her as was his model.

this is the kinda shit that works. these women are bored, they want excitement. I think what guys here call "game", to women is excitement and something out of the ordinary from their boring lives.

what this guy could have done was organizing the pipe line to allow each woman to have three dates with him; he would have less headaches, probably even save some time, it would have been easier on his liver and he would fuck women who were not shitfaced.

20-25 are totally fair game for a tall not bald 32yo guy.

 

[blackrock13]

Lack of money in most cases is just an excuse, and when it isn't, she did you a favour.
Shitty women are made by shitty men, and vice versa; most people are shit.
It's supply and demand, most men are tools, so the women get to be princesses.
And heven forbid you are actually looking for a relationship, now you have to bend over backwards to prove you aren't just after sex.

Is it safe to say you're a tool?

 

[Serpent]

what this guy could have done was organizing the pipe line to allow each woman to have three dates with him; he would have less headaches, probably even save some time, it would have been easier on his liver and he would fuck women who were not shitfaced.

I'm not debating his strategy. I'm just saying that a guy with full head of hair, lots of money, gift of gab and everything else that people here think gets women super hot had to lie, work hard, work clubs/streets/elevators/PATH aggressively to get laid.

What does that tell you?

 

[ballow]

Is it safe to say you're a tool?

I'm too proud to ever do anything even remotely toolish, thats my excuse anyway.