Any Other SP's Feel The Same Way?

[SchlongConery]

Hey Gigi

Haggling is NOT a reflection on you in any way, shape or form. The men who will haggle with you will haggle over anything. They LOVE haggling! If you were giving it away for free, they'd want a better deal!

So you simply cannot take it as any sort of an insult. None.

When they call and ask about a "deal", simply and sweetly say that "I'm really not one for haggling, but I understand how some people like it." Then follow up with asking if they woudl like to make an appointment

Do NOT lash back or otherwise engage them in any sort of challenge response.

 

[sakurame]

Where is ur ad?
Im interested now..as long as you dont upsell...i dont mind paying a premium...whether i not i repeat is based on if i feel ur services warranted ur rate

Yes where are you advertising. I would thing price point would make a difference being a higher price point would weed out a lot of hagglers etc but I guess one would only know from hearing whether or not it is true from the ladies who are at a higher price point.

 

[SchlongConery]

I wanted to mention as well I understand when a SP says 120 but offers nothing (dfk digits daty) the want for a discount, my services are completely open (minus 2 things) which I suppose is also why I find it a smack...

BUT. Noted. I see both sides... I will however keep my rate fixed... Sorry bargain hunters.


Ps Im found on backpage.

BTW, using words like "Bargain Hunters" "LOWBALLERS" etc brings you to a level where these kind of people regard you as on their level too. So you can no longer claim the high road nor complain WHEN they continue to lowball you.

 

[GiGiStarr]

BTW, using words like "Bargain Hunters" "LOWBALLERS" etc brings you to a level where these kind of people regard you as on their level too. So you can no longer claim the high road nor complain WHEN they continue to lowball you.

Oops sorry should have put "" on bargain hunters since I was using other people's terminology.

 

[SchlongConery]

Post your rates without comment, apology nor explanation.

Don't offer "Specials" unless you want people to think your rates are negotiable either. IMO

 

[Dmac1701x]

Where is ur ad?
Im interested now..as long as you dont upsell...i dont mind paying a premium...whether i not i repeat is based on if i feel ur services warranted ur rate

$120 for a half is hardly a premium.

 

[oldjones]

When you negotiate with a guy to do your roof, or remodel your bathroom, do you take the quote and pay it, without asking for a discount?

Hard goods like a pair of jeans have a more or less set cost. Labour is almost always negotiable.

I see it differently. You don't bother trying to negociate those jeans because you can't. You pay what WalMart or Harry Rosen asks, because you know there's no one you can talk to who will bother to negociate.

What you're actually trying to get across is that face to face you think you're in a contest. As a worker, my time and skill are worth what I say they are, as long as enough folks are willing to pay that rate. Unlike many of those who engage my services, I am full-time aware of the market and where I stack up in relation to others doing similar work. I'll happily negociate all you and I have time for, but I'm going upwards if I'm going anywhere, not down. If you aren't prepared to pay my rate, offer what you are prepared to pay, and we can start there, figuring out which part of the work not to do to bring it down to what you can afford. But tell me before you waste my time asking me to come by and price your job, that's when I told you my rate, remember?

I'm with GiGi. You already know the rate. Wanna negociate? It's for you to make your offer. But I've got a living to make and my face time is my work time. I'm not prepared to waste it because someone else's is free.

 

[Rockslinger]

Most men here are bargain hunters.

That can't be true judging by the huge number of tipping threads here. (Oh no, this will provoke a member of the "circle jerks" to accuse me of mocking the hobby.)

 

[gcostanza]

Oh my oh my. No one warned you?

Most men here are bargain hunters. Think about people who go to stereo review boards? They shop around looking for a deal. Same with most men here.

It seems that most men seeing the "lower" cost providers (under $300) want Prime Rib and Chambertin wine and pay hamburger and beer rates.

You need to decide if you want to see adults with a bit of class or boys on a budget (regardless of age).

Now the bad news. If you mention things like that in open forum you will get tagged as a bitch and make enemies. Most SPs think that the clients have to feel good about the entire thing or you get less customers.

Sadly they are right. My advice is delete the thread before the women haters decide you are a terrible person

Best of luck.


Oh FYI a handful of men adore feisty girls and are able to afford us

Sir, you make some good points.

 

[VIPhunter]

Come now, let's grow up. Let's say we have a lady, who charges $1000 and hour. But she always finds that Monday, at 10AM-2PM is slow, so, she offers a discount, to fill the time at $500, an hour. If she gives less than her normal, let's say college try, she is providing bad customer service.

I'll agree, SOME costs are fixed, hotel room, etc. However if one sees more clients the
n the expense spread over many.

You have every right to say no. But a smart customer always looks to maximize the value for his money. I don't hold against MY customers when they ask, and I'm always willing to give a discount if it results in more work in the future.

Anybody who offers or agrees to a discount in any business, and fails to deliver the goods as promised, quite frankly is cheating. They are the 'cheap' ones. NOT the person who asked for a discount....


Now...what's that I hear? The knights in shining armor about to ride in,( who know I'm right, but) will defend the indefensible.

It's business.......It's not personal. Period.

But typical of many here...They would prefer to think ONLY of today, and not long term. Run your business that way OldJones, if you wish. I always look to maximize PROFIT not hourly rate.

 

[VIPhunter]

I see it differently. You don't bother trying to negociate those jeans because you can't. You pay what WalMart or Harry Rosen asks, because you know there's no one you can talk to who will bother to negociate.

What you're actually trying to get across is that face to face you think you're in a contest. As a worker, my time and skill are worth what I say they are, as long as enough folks are willing to pay that rate. Unlike many of those who engage my services, I am full-time aware of the market and where I stack up in relation to others doing similar work. I'll happily negociate all you and I have time for, but I'm going upwards if I'm going anywhere, not down. If you aren't prepared to pay my rate, offer what you are prepared to pay, and we can start there, figuring out which part of the work not to do to bring it down to what you can afford. But tell me before you waste my time asking me to come by and price your job, that's when I told you my rate, remember?

I'm with GiGi. You already know the rate. Wanna negociate? It's for you to make your offer. But I've got a living to make and my face time is my work time and I'm not prepared to waste it because someone else's is free.

What if you discount the work, 25% per hour but wind up with 300% more work? Is that not better in the long run???

 

[krayjee]

The way I see things is different. I might be wrong. If you bargain a SP or MPA in this hobby, her first impression on you is gone and chances of you getting a great service is very slim most of the times.

 

[oldjones]

What if you discount the work, 25% per hour but wind up with 300% more work? Is that not better in the long run???

Are you proposing a one time 25% for a firm 300% order? Sure, if I've got the staff or personal hours to fulfill all those orders without lowering standards, and pissing off the clients, and if I can do the work fast enough to recoup the discount. Otherwise all I've done is take a 25% cut. I might well have had enough full-rate jobs in that time to make more than 75%. But that's not at all the situation at hand.

As a sole proprietor—like GiGi—when I quote a job, I've already invested a good deal of my time and so-called expertise, and I have already explained to the client the basis on which I charge and how I work. If they want to ask for some arbitrary discount, I am offended, just like GiGi (although I try not to show it). It's hard not to think they imagine I have tacked some arbitrary pad onto the price I've spent hours computing as precisely as I can. But mirabile dictu! let some circumstance change, and that figure they once treated as entirely arbitrary is suddenly fixed in stone and non-negociable if it might cost them. At least in my line, which is both labour and materials, I do get the come-back—"what part don't you want me to build?" which keeps us off the touchy stuff like, "Just how little are you saying my work is worth?"

But GiGi is in the 'touchy-feely and nothing but' business, so she has nothing to cut but her rate. She's invested in publicizing those rates, precisely so her customers don't have to be embarrassed committing to what they can't afford, or are too cheap to pay. As I've said before, they already know what the rate is, if they want to negociate, it's for them to make their counter-offer, and see how attractive it is to her, and to make it early in the very first phone call. Otherwise they're just being what she called them. Or did I just think that rude word myself?

People in service businesses don't have 'free' time.

 

[peter4025]

What if you discount the work, 25% per hour but wind up with 300% more work? Is that not better in the long run???

My employees cost me $50 an hr each plus a 10% profit to my company, not counting overhead. So I charge $55 an hr. if I discount 25% I have to put $6.75 an hr from my pocket. I rather lay off everybody and stay home!

 

[GiGiStarr]

What if you discount the work, 25% per hour but wind up with 300% more work? Is that not better in the long run???

No because you are doing twice the work to fill the gap in the long run, 2 people at 60 vs one at 120...

 

[VIPhunter]

My employees cost me $50 an hr each plus a 10% profit to my company, not counting overhead. So I charge $55 an hr. if I discount 25% I have to put $6.75 an hr from my pocket. I rather lay off everybody and stay home!

Holy Crap. Most business charge 3 times the Hourly rate per employee. That's what we do, to cover overhead and expenses.

I have a group of 55+ to keep working. I prefer to lose a bit per job, for repeat business, even if it's not firm.

Good will goes a long way,.....In our business anyway.

 

[VIPhunter]

No because you are doing twice the work to fill the gap in the long run, 2 people at 60 vs one at 120...

Um. No. Because what good is it to have people sitting around, with no work and paying them? I'm not such an ass that I lay people off if we have a slow week...of course I expect a hell of a lot effort and hours on the busy weeks.

I don't think hourly. I think salary.

 

[oldjones]

The guys I first worked for in Toronto, in the very insecure and uncertain business of exhibits and displays had a phrase that came up one way or another whenever a client complained their rate was too high. Simply put, "You're right, we do charge Cadillac prices, but that's because we deliver Cadillac service and quality." When they put on their mentoring hats they cautioned me never to supply the unspoken follow-up sentence. If the client couldn't figure it out themselves, relations would be even worse if we pointed it out. The cheap ones found other exhibit companies.

 

[spraggamuffin]

Certainly irritating but unless someone is holding a gun to your head, what's stopping you from saying "No" and moving on to the next.

There are well to do, money is no object guys on here who look down on bargain hunters.

There are also bargain hunters that have the same testosterone driven drive as the wealthy but less money to throw around.

There is also a large supply of providers that seems to be increasing everyday.

Every provider wants to price herself as high as possible and within the range of the other providers.

Depending on the amount of business coming in, she may tweak her prices, advertise services she has no intention of providing to get guys in the door etc.

Are all women as youthful,attractive or provide the same services or level of services as the top earning providers though?

Guys may view the high supply of providers and assume there is room for negotiations.

Others view themselves as God's gift to women and are convinced the SP will be attracted to them and give more mileage,discounts, no charge etc.

Negotiating prices is just part and parcel of the hobbying landscape based,not only on demand and supply, but variables and YMMVs.

Whether you choose to dwell on it or simply say a polite no and move on depends on you, your success in the business,desperation etc.

 

[james t kirk]

Everything in life is negotiable.

It's up to the 2 parties involved to come up with an agreement they both feel is mutually beneficial.

I work in a professional industry and I can assure you that hourly rates are negotiable. Some clients get better rates than others and there are a pile of factors that goes into deciding rates (though none of them are written down.) Quite frankly, we have some good clients who we enjoy working with and they are professional and we give a lot of breaks to.

As to buying clothes, hell, I was in a store just recently and looking at jackets (expensive ones) and I had it down to two and I said to the guy, "if I take 2 will you give me a deal" He didn't bat an eye and said sure, and made me a deal and I took two and we were both happy.

At the heart of capitalism is the concept of the fair trade. The seller offers up his product at a price that he feels is fair. I have the option of accepting that price, or negotiating based on what I feel is the worth of the product. It is up to him to decide whether or not he agrees to my price, or wants to make a counter-offer. If an agreement is reached, he sells his product at a reasonable price and i come away with the product for a reasonable price paid. Everyone is happy.

To the OP, you seem offended that men try to negotiate on your fee. I can't help but wonder if you are paying your income taxes on the money you are making as an escort? (I'm willing to bet not.) But I bet you use the roads, airports, public transit, schools and hospitals and you don't even give a second thought that you should pay tax to support that. If you are remitting your 50% of your income to the Canadian Revenue Agency (which is where you would be if you were paying taxes), I humbly appologize. So really, who is worse - some guy trying to negotiate you down 20 or 40 bucks, or you not paying half of everything you earn like the rest of us?