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Ok, my friend told me that one day he was marking her test during class and she was beside him watching. Then she put her arm around him and said to him "I love you. Do you love me?" (yes, in front of the whole class). He did the right thing and ignored what she said and just kept informing her about her test results. When she tried to bring it up again a few seconds later, he mentioned a guy's name to her (someone who likes her) and suggested that she get some tutoring from him. This succeeding in discouraging her without embarrassing her in front of the class. Prior to this day, she did some minor flirting with him as well, but he ignored it each time.

But now, weeks later, he said that he is considering pursuing something with her, added her on facebook, and told me his plan, which you've just read about.

As far as I know, a teacher is in equal amount of trouble for dating a student (or grooming) regardless of who initiates though. Am I right?
 
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prestokeys said:
Ok, my friend told me that one day he was marking her test during class and she was beside him watching. Then she put her arm around him and said to him "I love you. Do you love me?" (yes, in front of the whole class). He did the right thing and ignored what she said and just kept informing her about her test results. When she tried to bring it up again a few seconds later, he mentioned a guy's name to her (someone who likes her) and suggested that she get some tutoring from him. This succeeding in discouraging her without embarrassing her in front of the class. Prior to this day, she did some minor flirting with him as well, but he ignored it each time.

But now, weeks later, he said that he is considering pursuing something with her, added her on facebook, and told me his plan, which you've just read about.
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some girls like to flirt.

some like to make a show.

some have issues......not an exhaustive list many are normal and dont hit on their teacher.

regardless of if she initiates or shows feelings.....the teacher isnt supposed to act on it. he is the adult so the responsibilty is on him.

ask him why he is risking his career and why not choose a girl in a more advanced stage of life.

does he normally get hit on by women? if not he should be suspicious of this teen.

heck maybe she flirts cause she thinks it is safe.....little does she know this dude wantd to fill her like a form.
 
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futurelegend said:
The girl is 18 now, but has she been 18 the entire time that he has known her? Unless he, or she, has just recently arrived at that school, odds are that he knew her as a minor and could have taught her or had contact with her. The media LOVES this kind of thing and the School Boards and Teachers' Union love to make examples of people that even walk this line.
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Exactly. Related hypothetical reason why this is a dumb idea - let's say they do start dating on the up-and-up a year after she graduates highschool. Everything's going fine, then they have a big fight for some stupid reason, and she decides to get back at him. All she has to do is make up stuff about how he acted inappropriately toward her when she was still a minor and he's toast.
 
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rubmeister100 said:
A hard dick on a stupid person doesn't think this way. I never had much respect for most of the current crop of teachers. A bunch of self-serving academics with no real world tempering nor experience brainwashing (and greenwashing) our kids
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wow paint with a broad brush much lol

i know teachers who give an extra 160 h to extracurriculars so that all the teams and clbs can run. if you look at how many people it takea to do this......find me another job where many of the employees do stuff for free rather than getting overtime pay.

take a crrent yearbook count staff then check how many clubs they run.

not to mention teachers who run after school help sessions off the clock.

as for greenwashing.....teachers dont choose the curriculum the mi.istry of ed does that.

as for academics with no real world experience guess drs and lawyers fall in that category too.
 
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frankcastle said:
think you have the wrong factor 1.2 equals 120% less you age did you marry an ovary?

or date the mom 10 years prior to the birth of the girl in question.

if we are going to brag let's just be clear about it rather than a word peoblem :) lol
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1/2 ? :confused:
 
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rubmeister has a point. If teachers are such nurturing (humanitarian?) professionals, why the endless lists of teachers charged with sexual harassment and dating underage students??? My friend soon being just another to join the list. How many "qualified" teachers get their licenses revoked every year in Toronto for unprofessional conduct?
 
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prestokeys said:
rubmeister has a point. If teachers are such nurturing (humanitarian?) professionals, why the endless lists of teachers charged with sexual harassment and dating underage students??? My friend soon being just another to join the list. How many "qualified" teachers get their licenses revoked every year in Toronto for unprofessional conduct?
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oh you get your fair share of priest, soldier, cop, doctor, manager, coach stories, too.
 
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rubmeister100 said:
I said MOST. Not all.

Yes yes I know all the teachers who coach the soccer team, photo club etc... but that has been the case for decades. And that trend is not increasing.

More recently, the teachers and profs I know seem to be more concerned with their unions, pay, vacation, hours and more about themselves then their students. Like this guy who wants to groom an 18 year old student to fuck in a year. Maybe his energy might be better directed into something that would benefit her or other students?
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most means the majority so sound like a lot to me.

without a rise in student population the club number remains the same.....if every teacher ran a club thwre wouldnt be enough kids to go around.

as for your friends who conplain.....i guess people dont gripe about their jobs over beers.
 
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rubmeister100 said:
I said MOST. Not all.

Yes yes I know all the teachers who coach the soccer team, photo club etc... but that has been the case for decades. And that trend is not increasing.

More recently, the teachers and profs I know seem to be more concerned with their unions, pay, vacation, hours and more about themselves then their students. Like this guy who wants to groom an 18 year old student to fuck in a year. Maybe his energy might be better directed into something that would benefit her or other students?
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i am going to call bullshit on the complaints...... hours have not changed for hs teachers for at least 30 years.....three seventy five minute classes per day.

the is no such thing as vacation time. 20 sick days per year has been around for decades. and you need drs notes and cant use it to take a week off.

as for pay the contracts are 4 years so no point discussing them regularly.

as for time spent...like any other job the longer you do it the better you get at it. so they are likely making changes tou just dont see it because it doesnt take long with experience.

maybe your friends are just asses.
 
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futurelegend said:
During investigation, it could actually be proven as criminal. The girl is 18 now, but has she been 18 the entire time that he has known her? Unless ....
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IIRC, Frank is/was a teacher and would likely know a thing or two. I recall hearing that a teacher is in a position of authority no matter what the age of the girl and it is therefore statutory. Had a similar discussion about a university co-op student working at my company.

I would also think from a legal perspective, if they can show a chain of continuous contact from when she was a student to when they started dating they would probably include 'grooming' as a part of it.

In other words, stupid idea. Just see an escort. A girl like that is probably way too immature (and daddy issues) for any kind of real relationship.

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...why the endless lists of teachers charged with sexual harassment and dating underage students???...
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Endless list? Nice hyperbole.
 
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rubmeister100 said:
A hard dick on a stupid person doesn't think this way. I never had much respect for most of the current crop of teachers. A bunch of self-serving academics with no real world tempering nor experience brainwashing (and greenwashing) our kids
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Back in my day, teachers would walk uphill to school both ways carrying 30 students through 10 ft of snow...
 
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Fine Rub maybe you just need to learn the meaning of most and how it would offend people e.g.

most jews are cheap
most blacks are criminals
most asians can't drive
most SPs are drug fiends

I could see how using most would offend most people

And it's not bait you obviously are a teacher hater. I'm just offering a counter opinion not for you but for others reading.

Can't see how refuting your statements qualifies as baiting. Sounds like a discussion. Guess you forgot to tell me that you were in soapbox mode and not interested in discussing.

1000 pardons.

I should point out that I'm not looking to change your views as with most terbites they have their beliefs and that's it.

PS lumping profs in with teachers is inaccurate.... different qualitications and school, different expectations (e.g. research), different responsibilities (grant proposals), different pay scales (higher and wider than teachers), different union. It's like lumping together two trades or two other jobs that fall under the same broad description.
 
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Presto the list is not endless ask a teacher friend for a copy of Professionally Speaking.... it is a periodical for members of the OCT turn to the blue pages and you can see the offenses and outcomes. Probably around 10 people....... not all lose their job becaise it's not a sex cases.... it could just be as simple as calling a kid a name, or taking too many sick days and getting caught at the golf course or some other shit. Given the thousands of teachers in ontario that is a small percentage.
 
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Sorry Rub,

I did take a low blow calling your friends asses.

I will grant that you said they were teachers and profs you know so maybe they aren't your friends.

But they sound like douches. My family and friends are mainly teachers and they have the sense not to complain about having their jobs because they know that it is a good career to be in.

Hope you understand that using most in a negative statement like yours is going to piss someone off.

Sorry but all the classic anti teacher rhetoric (sorry spellling) you used to paint "most" teachers pissed me off.
 
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