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How many of you GAVE UP on dating figuring your just too undesirable to women?

frankcastle

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How come no one complains about being too tall to find girls? Would a typical 5'5 girl prefer to date a 6'8 guy or a 5'4 guy?
Cause when you play in the NBA it's easy to get dates. :)

I think most guys are under 6'6" and that onlly puts them about a foot and changed taller than the average woman. That is not out of the ordinary and seems socially acceptable. Tall guys will probably not be excluded by most women except maybe the extremely short.
 

frankcastle

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I'm at a point now (mid 30s) where I make 100k plus, I have assets and savings for a high value amount, I can make more money if I decide to take a more challenging job.....so I'm financially OK.

But more importantly, I've realized, I'm a good person and the person who I liked didn't see that.

So after putting myself out there for the wrong person and not being appreciated, I have ZERO desire to prove myself to some random, club hopping chick in this city.

I'd like to find someone who has accomplished something for herself, has a good personality, is a GOOD person and well, a decent looker and then I'd be interested. Otherwise, I don't care right now for "selling" myself to women as some act of dating ritual.

I have a couple of dates setup through friends and this time, I'd want to know what does the girl have to offer me rather than sell myself to her like a job interview.
Regardless of how successful at dating a person is they should have more of this attitude. He's identified his good qualities, sees what he wants in a woman and doesn't want to settle.

Notice no discussion about failing or shortcomings or obstacles or concerns about how long it might take.

On another topic.... Serpent I agree that club/bar scene is the wrong way for a guy in his 30s who sounds like he is looking for something more meaningful than a hook up. I find online dating nice because you get to know a bit more about the person before approaching other than looks...... which is important but not the dealbreaker for me.
 

Serpent

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well, i wouldn't say exactly this attitude. :) I'm a little on the "i don't give a fuck" trip right now and that's not good either.

I have an eharmony profile and some of the women are amazing (well educated, great families, professionally set etc) but to be completely honest, I'm not getting a response there. But it doesn't bother me much now because now, I'm more confident of who I am and what i bring to the table.

But it still doesn't mean I have met the person I'd like to be with. And that's still a problem which I don't know how to fix.

I do not want to be a 50yr old on Terb.
 

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Wow. By your point system, you don't like many men. The only way a man can be your on plus side if he can make you laugh. Everything else is a minus.
To score points with women like mrsCALoki, just forget about your appearance and watch a lot of sitcoms and learn to be funny. How many other women will this work with?
 

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Women are attracted to these things, not necessarily equally weighted.
health, wealth, humor, social intuition, attractive to other women, status, confidence, a challenge.

Directly, looks/height factor into health and that's it. However, indirectly, people often assume that a good looking, tall guy has social intuition, is attractive to other women, has status and is confident. You can demonstrate all of these other traits without being good looking or tall, you just don't get the presumption, that's all.
 

frankcastle

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well, i wouldn't say exactly this attitude. :) I'm a little on the "i don't give a fuck" trip right now and that's not good either.

I have an eharmony profile and some of the women are amazing (well educated, great families, professionally set etc) but to be completely honest, I'm not getting a response there. But it doesn't bother me much now because now, I'm more confident of who I am and what i bring to the table.

But it still doesn't mean I have met the person I'd like to be with. And that's still a problem which I don't know how to fix.

I do not want to be a 50yr old on Terb.
I just meant that your outlook and approach is far more healthy and productive than the defeatist outlook. I never had much success iwht eharmony for some reason lavalife worked better but that was a fewe years ago and I'm afraid I don't know what the best dating site is these days. Plenty of Fish sucks IMO but some guys love it.
 

mrsCALoki

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I remember when humor was the most important asset for a boy to have.

That was High School.
well, maybe we also like really wild incredible and unique sex as well. Like the standing blow job you found an adventurous SP to practise with and told us about ? Most of us tried that in high school as well.
 

frankcastle

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Women are attracted to these things, not necessarily equally weighted.
health, wealth, humor, social intuition, attractive to other women, status, confidence, a challenge.

Directly, looks/height factor into health and that's it. However, indirectly, people often assume that a good looking, tall guy has social intuition, is attractive to other women, has status and is confident. You can demonstrate all of these other traits without being good looking or tall, you just don't get the presumption, that's all.
It is well known that Tom Cruise is short, a little bit bat shit crazy and he is considered hot by a lot of women. Sure he's also rich but that doesn't really enter into the fantasy realm unless women fantasize about 401Ks and stock options. But yes I know he is an extreme case.
 

Serpent

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Trust me.....it took me a LOT of time to figure out who I am and what all I have. 5 years down the toilet but hey, something good did come of it!

I'd like to crack eharmony because the 27-32 yr olds on there (with my preference filters set) are quite great!

And think of it this way: if decent looking, professional and educated and good personality women are single....it's not just us men who're alone...they are TOO! So get positive guys! :)
 

mrsCALoki

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You mean the standing 69. But that was a burn, you win the internets.
no dear, you typed standing blow job in your post. Do I have to copy the quote? So do you not know the difference between a standing BJ and a standing 69? ;)
 

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Trust me.....it took me a LOT of time to figure out who I am and what all I have. 5 years down the toilet but hey, something good did come of it!

I'd like to crack eharmony because the 27-32 yr olds on there (with my preference filters set) are quite great!

And think of it this way: if decent looking, professional and educated and good personality women are single....it's not just us men who're alone...they are TOO! So get positive guys! :)
Tons of single women out there. They're not just in the bars, they're just... out and about.

If a guy can get over the fear of approaching a woman he doesn't know and just striking up a conversation, you can score a lot of dates. The mere fact that you approach women is attractive and demonstrates you are confident. Also, with online dating, there's too much searching for people using a laundry list of characteristics. You may get filtered out because you are one inch shorter than her search filter, but in real life, she wouldn't care less how tall you are, because she thinks you are funny and charming.

I often ask hot girls (both civvies and MPAs/SPs) how often they get hit on outside of work/bars. Their answer, virtually never.
 

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It is well known that Tom Cruise is short, a little bit bat shit crazy and he is considered hot by a lot of women. Sure he's also rich but that doesn't really enter into the fantasy realm unless women fantasize about 401Ks and stock options. But yes I know he is an extreme case.
I don't think we can draw too many conclusions from someone like Tom Cruise who is probably worth $100M+. That kind of money does overcome a lot else. He's about 5'8", I think, but has a good looking face. But it's his fame and wealth that really confuse matters in his case.

Not that this will sway anyone's opinion here, but of all the guys I have ever hung out with, the two most successful with women are both 5'6. One is black, the other asian.

The black guy may be 5'6, but we weighs probably 185+. He basically looks like a linebacker but is actually 20% smaller than a real NFL player would be. He's charming but also dominant. When women see him, they imagine one thing. Being fucked by this massive black guy. They don't see his 5'6 frame, only his body language and personality.

Same with the asian guy. Super charming. As they say, he could sell snow to an eskimo. Doesn't hurt that he's also super fit and could be an underwear model. Again, people don't see his height, only his body language and personality.

Neither has a particular high-paying or interesting job.

If you want to do well in bars, you do need some element of bad boy in you if you want to score with the typical bar hotties. You don't need to be tall or good looking. But you do have to give off an adventurous or dangerous vibe. You're wasting your time in bars without at least some amount of this. Outside the bar/club scene, being a bad boy doesn't matter at all and in fact, hurts you with career women.
 

Serpent

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Very well said!

And now precisely because I know I don't care about the bar hotties, wearing that $20 dress from Bebe and carpooling with 4 friends and renting with 3 other girls to live in the City.....they bring nothing to the table for me. So I'm not going to be the "bad boy" that I am not.

I'd like to keep things simple, be the person I am and hope there's a woman who fits my criteria who also wants me.

My challenge right now is: where to go? Speed dating? Sign up for yoga? Do what? I'm at work, stressed out 50hours per week.....there's not much time left after that.
 

DigitallyYours

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My challenge right now is: where to go? Speed dating? Sign up for yoga? Do what? I'm at work, stressed out 50hours per week.....there's not much time left after that.
Speed dating can be fun. If nothing else, you get to practice a short pitch about yourself that you can then re-use in other situations.

The best advice I got is just to do what you enjoy doing. I took dance class (ballroom, salsa, hip-hop). You name it, I took it. It was fun. I was primarily interested in getting more in touch with the way my body moves, but you'd be amazed at how many singles take salsa. You get invited out to tons of parties too. Real community feel to it.

Bottom line is to just approach that girl you like and ask her out. It was hard at first because I wasn't used to approaching girls I didn't already know, but like I said, once you get over the fear of rejection, the sky's the limit. If you see a hottie at Starbuck's. Say hi. At worst, you get an icy reception. At best, you land yourself a date.

The worst thing is to take on all sorts of activities, not actually ask any of these women out and friend-zone yourself. You end up with all these time-consuming obligations and no women either.
 

spraggamuffin

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Pretty much.

Girl is hot: +1000 points.
Girl is dumb as a rock: no change.
Girl is not hot: -1000 points
Add to that.

Girl has Pussy: Fuck the points system as Nothing else matters. Lol
 
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