Toronto Passions

Road tolls to pay for subways

Are road tolls a good way to pay for Rob Ford's subway plan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 44 46.3%
  • No

    Votes: 51 53.7%

  • Total voters
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avxl1003

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with an attitude like that why would anyone want to come to toronto. seriously if i had to pay to go to work there or visit there i would never go there. that city just ain't that great and stupidly over priced. just make everyone work where they live and watch toronto fall into a cesspool that no one wants to go to at all ever.

more tax is not the answer to a city and province that are more taxed than any other city and province. it might be the final nail in the coffin though.
Feel free to find a job outside of Toronto that pays as much as a job inside Toronto.

Why do you think the people are commuting here in the first place?

Keep in mind it's not the workforce OUTSIDE Toronto that's keeping this city alive, but the businesses INSIDE Toronto that keep the cities outside alive.
 
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slowpoke

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with an attitude like that why would anyone want to come to toronto. seriously if i had to pay to go to work there or visit there i would never go there. that city just ain't that great and stupidly over priced. just make everyone work where they live and watch toronto fall into a cesspool that no one wants to go to at all ever.

more tax is not the answer to a city and province that are more taxed than any other city and province. it might be the final nail in the coffin though.
So now we're "more taxed than any other city and province"??? Are you sure about that?

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html#provincial
http://www.sellhomestoronto.com/updatenews4.htm

I think you'll find that a great many municipalities in Ontario and elsewhere have higher taxes than Toronto and many provinces have higher provincial taxes. Torontonians / Ontarians only THINK they're overtaxed but the numbers don't support that. Far from it.
 

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The reality is that our tax dollars go to fund outside city's and we pay more taxes than reaping the benefits of those tax dollars in services.
 

simon482

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Feel free to find a job outside of Toronto that pays as much as a job inside Toronto.

Why do you think the people are commuting here in the first place?

Keep in mind it's not the workforce OUTSIDE Toronto that's keeping this city alive, but the businesses INSIDE Toronto that keep the cities outside alive.
i have had lots of jobs outside toronto that pay more than i would make in toronto. don't be silly in your thinking that toronto is the only place to work and i think your idea of making people pay to come into the city is wrong. the people that come into the city do so once a day and leave once a day, i think you should tax the people that live in the city and use those raods daily since they do more damage. how about that.
 

simon482

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So now we're "more taxed than any other city and province"??? Are you sure about that?

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html#provincial
http://www.sellhomestoronto.com/updatenews4.htm

I think you'll find that a great many municipalities in Ontario and elsewhere have higher taxes than Toronto and many provinces have higher provincial taxes. Torontonians / Ontarians only THINK they're overtaxed but the numbers don't support that. Far from it.
well i guess i was wrong, hold on i will brb gonna think of a way to cover that up.
 

shakenbake

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It does make sense to punish them when their desire to save money ends up costing Torontonians in the long run. We have smog and traffic congestion to deal with thanks to people looking to save a dime on their property taxes.
If you think that Torontonians pay more for property taxes than do those outside of Toronto, for the same property value, you are delusional.
 

shakenbake

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So now we're "more taxed than any other city and province"??? Are you sure about that?

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html#provincial
http://www.sellhomestoronto.com/updatenews4.htm

I think you'll find that a great many municipalities in Ontario and elsewhere have higher taxes than Toronto and many provinces have higher provincial taxes. Torontonians / Ontarians only THINK they're overtaxed but the numbers don't support that. Far from it.
very true. And, it has been that way for as long as I can remember.
 

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i have had lots of jobs outside toronto that pay more than i would make in toronto. don't be silly in your thinking that toronto is the only place to work
No offense but you drive a truck for a living. I don't think you know much about where the good jobs are.
 

toughb

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I'm in favor of a road tolls for people who live outside the city, but not to pay for subways.

Not a bad idea but with a slight twist. Set up north and south bound toll booths at hwy #9 and that should give York Region a nice financial boost.

City slickers using our roads. What a nerve!:canada:
 

james t kirk

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Not a bad idea but with a slight twist. Set up north and south bound toll booths at hwy #9 and that should give York Region a nice financial boost.

City slickers using our roads. What a nerve!:canada:
As someone who lives in downtown Toronto - I have no problem with this....

But, you do realize that Toronto would only be putting tolls on roads it owns (and pays for). LIke the Gardiner Expressway, or the Don Valley Parkway, etc. Toronto could not put tolls on Hwy 401, or 404 for example.

Likewise, York Region could put a toll on Yonge Street, Bayview, etc., but could not put tolls on the 400 or 404.

Since most Torontonians proably use the 400 and 404 more than anything to drive through York Region on the way to the north - realistically, there would not be much advantage for York Region to put tolls on its city streets. (You can if you want to though.)

Mind you, Muskoka communities could rake in the dough. And again, I'm all for that.
 

simon482

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No offense but you drive a truck for a living. I don't think you know much about where the good jobs are.
i get paid (and good) to see the country, travel where ever, listen to music all day and don't have a boss breathing down my neck while getting fresh air and sunshine. have fun in your office.
 

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i have had lots of jobs outside toronto that pay more than i would make in toronto. don't be silly in your thinking that toronto is the only place to work and i think your idea of making people pay to come into the city is wrong. the people that come into the city do so once a day and leave once a day, i think you should tax the people that live in the city and use those raods daily since they do more damage. how about that.
The people who live in the city pay for the roads that you drive on each day you come into the city, they deserve said roads to be in proper condition for what they pay. People who live outside the city do not pay for those roads, they pay for the roads where they live. I propose a gps tag on your license plate that would automatically add a fee of 50 cents for each time you cross into the city. It would show up on your taxes at the end of the year, then you can drive wherever you like and pay for it too.
 

oldjones

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So now we're "more taxed than any other city and province"??? Are you sure about that?

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html#provincial
http://www.sellhomestoronto.com/updatenews4.htm

I think you'll find that a great many municipalities in Ontario and elsewhere have higher taxes than Toronto and many provinces have higher provincial taxes. Torontonians / Ontarians only THINK they're overtaxed but the numbers don't support that. Far from it.
Truth be told, all taxpayers think they're overtaxed, and it's got absolutely nothing to do with with their tax rate. The smart ones long ago absorbed Ben Franklin's message and got on with the difficult and tedious job of getting value from the government that collects them. Which doesn't eliminate the fools who imagine getting a tax cut is progress, when it really is just tax room for some future government.

Unfortunately at this period the pendulum is favouring the Fools who have one of their own at City Hall. One notes the previous regime's taxes—now clumsily abandoned—left the City some $80 million in the black at the end of 2010. The projection—pre police salary gravy—for 2011 is a $770 million shortfall. With incentive like that watch Rob doing budget surgery with a weedwhacker. Who cares about value to the citizens if there's taxes to be cut! Cut Baby, Cut!

And appreciate the symbolism of his transit moves: Cancel transit plans spread across the City to put a few extra kilometres undergraound along Eglinton. Pretend there will be Magic Money to extend the Subway No One Wants along Sheppard. Feeding even more passengers into the over-capacity-now Yonge line. One thing the Fools are right about: Thinking like that isn't worth the taxes we pay.
 
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Road tolls should be implemented. Why should I be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic on the DVP in the morning because of people that live in the 905? If people want to come here, then they should have to pay for it! A lot of the cars that use the roads are people from outside the city so they should have to pay for some of it in the form of road tolls.
 
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i have had lots of jobs outside toronto that pay more than i would make in toronto. don't be silly in your thinking that toronto is the only place to work and i think your idea of making people pay to come into the city is wrong. the people that come into the city do so once a day and leave once a day, i think you should tax the people that live in the city and use those raods daily since they do more damage. how about that.
Wow, you're just plain ignorant. Toronto is the city with the largest majority of JOBS. Sure, there are jobs out there in Markham, Missisauga, etc but not anywhere near the volume that Toronto has, thus the congestion of the highways and wear and tear on the roads here. You sound like one of those 905'ers who come here to use our ROADS and HIGHWAYS and is not upset that you'll have to pay for it..but u should be used to that right?? Maybe u should have thought harder when buying that big house in Barrie.
 

oldjones

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Road tolls should be implemented. Why should I be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic on the DVP in the morning because of people that live in the 905? If people want to come here, then they should have to pay for it! A lot of the cars that use the roads are people from outside the city so they should have to pay for some of it in the form of road tolls.
To quiet the constant screaming about the high price of ever-scarcer gas and the pollution and energy waste of packaging a single occupant in a muti-tonne SUV to get her to and from work, we should be thinking of every way we can to make the stupidity of that version of a necessary trip obvious. Tolls are one way to do that.

There was a time sixty or more years ago when gas was cheap and you could build a thriving city by letting it sprawl because everyone had a magic car pet to come and go at will. But those days are ending (and likely should have ended sooner) as the oil runs out and the Chinese earn enough to buy their own produce and products. The real estate ads for Leaside that touted '…just a short walk to your work' look more and more presvcient and less and less quaint everyday.
 

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The city has lost the right to freeze their wages, since Ford has declared them an essential service. Their contracts are all now essentially guaranteed, and will be decided by union friendly arbitrators in the future. The essential service designation cuts both ways--it didn't just stop the union from striking, it also made it illegal for the city to lock them out.

In my opinion declaring the TTC an essential service was a massive blunder.
 

simon482

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The people who live in the city pay for the roads that you drive on each day you come into the city, they deserve said roads to be in proper condition for what they pay. People who live outside the city do not pay for those roads, they pay for the roads where they live. I propose a gps tag on your license plate that would automatically add a fee of 50 cents for each time you cross into the city. It would show up on your taxes at the end of the year, then you can drive wherever you like and pay for it too.
with your logic then you should have to pay every time you leave the city then since you don't pay taxes on those roads or in those municipalities. every time you enter a new municipality you should have to pay.

i love watching you guys say the first solution is higher tax then get bitchy cuz the taxes are raised.
 

simon482

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Wow, you're just plain ignorant. Toronto is the city with the largest majority of JOBS. Sure, there are jobs out there in Markham, Missisauga, etc but not anywhere near the volume that Toronto has, thus the congestion of the highways and wear and tear on the roads here. You sound like one of those 905'ers who come here to use our ROADS and HIGHWAYS and is not upset that you'll have to pay for it..but u should be used to that right?? Maybe u should have thought harder when buying that big house in Barrie.
actually i am a 705er and i could really give a fuck what you do with the city. i am only in canada 36-40 hours at a time and calling me ignorant when you are not smart enough to see someone playing devils advocate or just pointing out the obvious flaws is not the smartest thing you could have done. seems like you got a serious hate on for everyone out there living the good life in the clean country air though.
 
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