It’s Time to Dump Chomsky into the Wastebasket of History

[blackrock13]

I`m still waiting for your reply here.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...t-of-History&p=3568624&viewfull=1#post3568624

Well, considering my post wasn`t directed at you, but at Wigglee, I wouldn`t worry too much about it and wait too long. He doesn`t seem too upset about it.

My not responding to your PM with the same query should have given you a hint. I tend not to deal with ongoing threads in PMs.

 

[Cobster]

Well, considering my post wasn't directed at you, but at Wigglee, I wouldn't worry too much about it and wait too long. He doesn't seem too upset about it.

My not responding to your PM with the same query should have given you a hint. I tend not to deal with ongoing threads in PMs.

What's the big deal? If the point has been raised by people on Terb, the government and the media, I'd like to know what point exactly it is that you're talking about, for clarification and understanding.
Is that so difficult?

 

[blackrock13]

What's the big deal? If the point has been raised by people on Terb, the government and the media, I'd like to know what point exactly it is that you're talking about, for clarification and understanding.
Is that so difficult?

Considering there have been approximately 500 posts on this subject, I'm not going to act as your personal Coles Notes. Reread the threads and glean what you need to. I sure you find many references that suffice. Knock yourself out.

 

[rld]

Incidentally, the war in Afghanistan has nothing to do with Al queda at the present time. We are assisting a (probably) illegitimate government in putting down an armed insurrection. Sort of the reverse of what we are doing in Libya, although I must admit karzai is not a madman, and the comparison should not be stretched much further than we shouldnt be in either place..

It is my understanding that there are still AQ militiamen, in the field, fighting against NATO troops.

 

[Cobster]

Considering there have been approximately 500 posts on this subject, I'm not going to act as your personal Coles Notes. Reread the threads and glean what you need to. I sure you find many references that suffice. Knock yourself out.

Thought so.

 

[blackrock13]

Thought so.

I know so, now what?

You asked because? As I said it wasn't a comment meant for you, but for somebody who didn't seem that concerned about it.

 

[Cobster]

Just trying to understand your "if you don't get it" bit in regards to you bolding Wigglee's comment "If the evidence is so solid regarding osama's guilt pertaining to 9/11, then why did they execute him first instead of trying him with that evidence".
That's all.

 

[blackrock13]

Just trying to understand your "if you don't get it" bit in regards to you bolding Wigglee's comment "If the evidence is so solid regarding osama's guilt pertaining to 9/11, then why did they execute him first instead of trying him with that evidence".
That's all.

If you can't figure by now I'm not going to play, then you need some help beyond what I can offer. YAWN!!

 

[oldjones]

It is my understanding that there are still AQ militiamen, in the field, fighting against NATO troops.

When they're dead, they're all AQ terrorists. 'Cept maybe when the locals can actually get someone to listen to their version. Whatever we're winning it sure isn't hearts and minds in A-stan.

We now do business with the Viets we claimed were blodthirsty monsters. Watch for a similar change of heart about the Taliban, who will be our bosom-buds when they give us an excuse for claiming between us we've vanquished AQ—whatever eupemisms we use when shooting at them or denying their human rights—and can bring our troops home.

And what we'll have gained will be better torturers and weasly government lawyers at home, better spies and spy-tech for home and abroad. And maybe a small market northwest of India, if the Russians and Iranians don't beat us to it.

But will the world be any safer for democracy? Ask the guys who won't send the SEALs after the killer Muammar, but spent milions to gun down one Mad Bomber.

Lesson1: Big democracy talk, but many will die with little help from the West. Lesson2: Big Western justice talk, but they'll do their business as dirty as anyone if they can.

 

[rld]

When they're dead, they're all AQ terrorists. 'Cept maybe when the locals can actually get someone to listen to their version. Whatever we're winning it sure isn't hearts and minds in A-stan.

We now do business with the Viets we claimed were blodthirsty monsters. Watch for a similar change of heart about the Taliban, who will be our bosom-buds when they give us an excuse for claiming between us we've vanquished AQ—whatever eupemisms we use when shooting at them or denying their human rights—and can bring our troops home.

And what we'll have gained will be better torturers and weasly government lawyers at home, better spies and spy-tech for home and abroad. And maybe a small market northwest of India, if the Russians and Iranians don't beat us to it.

But will the world be any safer for democracy? Ask the guys who won't send the SEALs after the killer Muammar, but spent milions to gun down one Mad Bomber.

The elimination of OBL was a necessary and progressive event.

 

[oldjones]

The elimination of OBL was a necessary and progressive event.

Nicely sanitized.

Why do we bother with courts anyway? And just whom would you think properly qualified to extend such efficient decision-making to all similar instances? In some secret Star Chamer of the Pentagon or White House, or the Hoover Building? Or was OBL a case of unique 'justice'? Did I miss that phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance? When will SEAL Team 6 be descending on the so-called prison holding the perpetrators of the Rwandan genocide (a million or more brutal deaths, not a mere coupla thousand) to wreak equivalent 'justice'? Or on Quaddafi's tent in Libya, a state we are in fact engaging with warplanes because of the "…criminal murders of its Head of Stae and Government?

Whatever happened to the ideal of justice for all?

 

[rld]

Nicely sanitized.

Why do we bother with courts anyway? And just whom would you think properly qualified to extend such efficient decision-making to all similar instances? In some secret Star Chamer of the Pentagon or White House, or the Hoover Building? Or was OBL a case of unique 'justice'? Did I miss that phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance? When will SEAL Team 6 be descending on the so-called prison holding the perpetrators of the Rwandan genocide (a million or more brutal deaths, not a mere coupla thousand) to wreak equivalent 'justice'? Or on Quaddafi's tent in Libya, a state we are in fact engaging with warplanes because of the "…criminal murders of its Head of Stae and Government?

Whatever happened to the ideal of justice for all?

Because we are at war. Would you like us to conduct a trial for each member of the Taliban and AQ we attack? Sounds like a fine idea.

You are just too funny throwing the pledge in there. It is a symbolic oath, not a binding international law.

Are you incapable of telling the difference?

Are you incapable of telling the difference between a police arrest and an act of war?

And I do think we should have gone harder at Rwanda. It is to our shame we did not . But because we missed a target before does not mean we should take a pass on this one now does it?

 

[furt]

"When a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign; that all the dunces are in confederacy against him".
-Johathan Swift, Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting

Nothing truer has ever been been said about Chomsky and the drivel and crap written in this thread against him simply drives the point home harder.

 

[oldjones]

Because we are at war. Would you like us to conduct a trial for each member of the Taliban and AQ we attack? Sounds like a fine idea.

You are just too funny throwing the pledge in there. It is a symbolic oath, not a binding international law.

Are you incapable of telling the difference?

Are you incapable of telling the difference between a police arrest and an act of war?

And I do think we should have gone harder at Rwanda. It is to our shame we did not . But because we missed a target before does not mean we should take a pass on this one now does it?

If we're at war, where are the prisoner of war camps? What I'd like—since you asked—is that we either fight a war, or catch criminals and bring them to justice. We're making it up as we go along and killing whoever we have a hate on for today. Just like the so-called bad guys.

There's a reason why AQ gained adherents and the outright hypocrisy of the west is at the base of it. You may believe killing OBL as we did was just and justifiable, but do the folks to whom his message goes out to believe that it was anything more than vengeance and honour-killing?

They already have that in their culture, and they do it better. But our guys are learning.

And thanks for pointing out the Pledge is just empty rhetoric, and nothing of import.

And if this is such a great and good tactic, why hasn't it already been used against Quadaffi? What makes him special?

 

[rld]

If we're at war, where are the prisoner of war camps? What I'd like—since you asked—is that we either fight a war, or catch criminals and bring them to justice. We're making it up as we go along and killing whoever we have a hate on for today. Just like the so-called bad guys.

There's a reason why AQ gained adherents and the outright hypocrisy of the west is at the base of it. You may believe killing OBL as we did was just and justifiable, but do the folks to whom his message goes out to believe that it was anything more than vengeance and honour-killing?

They already have that in their culture, and they do it better. But our guys are learning.

And thanks for pointing out the Pledge is just empty rhetoric, and nothing of import.

And if this is such a great and good tactic, why hasn't it already been used against Quadaffi? What makes him special?

The POW camps are in A-stan and run by the government of A-stan. Did you think all the prisoners were in GB? Don't you read about the break outs?

My understanding is that AQ is not doing well at all because they have caused the death of so many muslims.

Are you saying we should not have taken out OBL? Let him sit comfortably?

I don't believe that we can convince OBL's followers we are right. If there was a trial it would not matter.

It's funny you blame the west for the growth of AQ, but that is not my understanding. My understanding is that the first target of AQ was Saudi.

Perhaps we should have just dropped leaflets on Germany instead of bombing.

There is an enemy dedicated to killing us we are at war with. Many of them are fanatical and will not change their minds. They need to be defeated in the traditional way. Taking out their symbolic leader was a great step forward. Naysayers like you will never be happy, but the west has not been hypocritical at all.

The reason, I suspect, that the col has not been taken out is because the actions we are allowed to take in Libya are limited. And to be frank I think right now he is hard target to get.

Are you advocating we should whack the Col. the same way? Or just complaining?

 

[duang]

Nicely sanitized.

Why do we bother with courts anyway? And just whom would you think properly qualified to extend such efficient decision-making to all similar instances? In some secret Star Chamer of the Pentagon or White House, or the Hoover Building? Or was OBL a case of unique 'justice'? Did I miss that phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance? When will SEAL Team 6 be descending on the so-called prison holding the perpetrators of the Rwandan genocide (a million or more brutal deaths, not a mere coupla thousand) to wreak equivalent 'justice'? Or on Quaddafi's tent in Libya, a state we are in fact engaging with warplanes because of the "…criminal murders of its Head of Stae and Government?

Whatever happened to the ideal of justice for all?

What about justice for the 9/11 victims and the victims of the other terrorist plots OBL was involved in?

OBL got off too easily and painlessly for the number of victims he killed and maimed.

I'm going to relax now and enjoy my new favorite drink: a Bin Laden [two shots with a splash of water]....

D.

 

[Cobster]

If you can't figure by now I'm not going to play, then you need some help beyond what I can offer. YAWN!!

Same answer you gave Wiglee, I suppose you can't really explain yourself then. Just what I thought. Hope you covered your mouth when you YAWNed. Good manners.

 

[oldjones]

What about justice for the 9/11 victims and the victims of the other terrorist plots OBL was involved in?

OBL got off too easily and painlessly for the number of victims he killed and maimed.

I'm going to relax now and enjoy my new favorite drink: a Bin Laden [two shots with a splash of water]....

D.

What the victims got out of this—as if they cared—was revenge. We claim to be more advance than societies that work on vegeance, blood feuds and honour-killings.

Obviously we're not.

 

[danmand]

What the victims got out of this—as if they cared—was revenge. We claim to be more advance than societies that work on vegeance, blood feuds and honour-killings.

Obviously we're not.

It is a north american thing. I do not know why it has developed here. But it prevents getting effective rehabilitation for criminals, and therefore is an immense cost to society. Look at how many people are kept in prisons in the US, and how Canada is stomping at the bits to do the same.

 

[blackrock13]

Same answer you gave Wiglee, I suppose you can't really explain yourself then. Just what I thought. Hope you covered your mouth when you YAWNed. Good manners.

Not the same answer answer. If you think so, provide the post and we'll compare.