5 cent fee for plastic bags
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Jeez Brill, don't you have anything else to say? We get it. You don't like him. Move on and relax.
I bring my own bags because after paying for groceries, I hate the idea of giving the stores another nickle. Before this, where was the discount for those who brough their own? All my bags were freebees from one place or another. One I got from Rogers when I rented my HD box, that I kept when I returned it. The truly ecofriendly can easily make them from an old pair of jeans. Now that the stores other than Loblaws (if ALL the proceeds are going to charity) are saving money on bags, shouldn't we see a price rollback on the shelves? Sure, it's just 5 cents, but what about the discount joints who have charged a nickle a bag for as long as I remember. They even used it as a marketing ploy.
The bags are recycleable. Most get reused, for those lovely tasks like picking up after Fido. It was a free eco-idea for Miller, whos time has come and gone. So should the bag fee.
That would be ideal, but won't happen. If it does, you know that 90% of the money will go towards "administration fees" and the rest, who knows. Nothing will end up helping the environment, sad but true.
Sort of like those Save the Children type organizations that aim to help kids, but in the end the money ends up for, yep, "administration" fees. Gotta love those faith based organizations. Spread the word of God, but take the money that's directed to help those in need and claim it's because of overhead and paperwork. Nice.
Thanks for balancing me out - I drive everywhere in my truck, I am okay with paying for a plastic bag because it keeps people employed and feeds the large corporations pocket, books, don't use the green bin and get the mother of all large garbage bins - oh best of all throw my CFLs and batteries in the grey bins.
If the money went to conservation I say keep it but it goes to profit the corporations not to help the environment.
If the money went to conservation I say keep it but it goes to profit the corporations not to help the environment.
Not here they're not. No one I've ever talked to has ever disputed the good sense of paying for what you use, and the better sense of not paying for it if you don't use it. If you bring your own bag, why shouldn't you pay less than the guy who 'needs' twelve and brought not a single one?
When the fee was imposed Council explicitly decided to avoid the accusations of 'tax-grab' by leaving the money—for the few bags people would continue to need and buy—in the hands of the retailers. While some donate it, I'm sure the smaller places just add the pittance to their revenue stream. If it keeps convenience stores I can walk to handy, that's a good thing. And imagine the accounting mess trying to get the money as a tax.
Although somewhat clumsily implemented, this one was A Good Thing, and it's Ford's first mis-step to muse about maybe eliminating it, just because it makes a few of his suburban SUV-happy constituents complain.
Anything that must be thrown away is A Bad Thing, and ultimately costs all taxpayers. You want bags, you buy bags.
Well it apparently has dramatically cut the number of plastic bags hitting landfill sites. It's not just an environmental issue, it cuts the city of Toronto's waste disposal costs as well. If Ford does cut the 5c fee he'll have to add money to the budget to pay for the extra garbage disposal costs.
Putting an administrative regime in place--having the city collect it if nothing else--is preferable to cancelling it.
I use those plastic bags for garbage bags, so now instead of using those bags I have to buy bags which are then going into the garbage anyways.
Give the people a choice I say. And quit it with militant environmentalism
Give the people a choice I say. And quit it with militant environmentalism
Thats because in 5 to 10 years that 10 cents will become a .25 cent charge.
All in the name of "saving the environment" of course
Why don't you buy some reuseable bags, they are only $1 most places. The inconvenience is a small price to pay for reducing landfill and oil consumption.
I have no problem with that, but why not just force grocery stores to sell biodegradable bags??
Draft a law that says stores must sell biodegradable plastic bags only.
Charge .10 cents per bag + 15 cents tax for the City = .25 cents/bag. This will generate revenue for Toronto also.
You then force some people to use their own reuseable bags, and others who dont mind paying extra can then use those plastic grocery store bags for garbage bags. Win-win for everyone, problem solved.
I really should run for office some day
Charge .10 cents per bag + 15 cents tax for the City = .25 cents/bag. This will generate revenue for Toronto also.
You then force some people to use their own reuseable bags, and others who dont mind paying extra can then use those plastic grocery store bags for garbage bags. Win-win for everyone, problem solved.
I really should run for office some day
People would hate this even more, it's a bigger tax.Draft a law that says stores must sell biodegradable plastic bags only.
Charge .10 cents per bag + 15 cents tax for the City = .25 cents/bag. This will generate revenue for Toronto also.
You then force some people to use their own reuseable bags, and others who dont mind paying extra can then use those plastic grocery store bags for garbage bags. Win-win for everyone, problem solved.
I really should run for office some day
You'd lose if you ran on this platform.
You can count on my vote.Draft a law that says stores must sell biodegradable plastic bags only.
Charge .10 cents per bag + 15 cents tax for the City = .25 cents/bag. This will generate revenue for Toronto also.
You then force some people to use their own reuseable bags, and others who dont mind paying extra can then use those plastic grocery store bags for garbage bags. Win-win for everyone, problem solved.
I really should run for office some day
That's brilliant but the idea is not going to fly in a popularity contest called election.
LOL. Be careful of what your wish for. You better hope you get compensated well for being spitted on and yelled at by the constituents who don't like your policies 24/7.
First off, Loblaws is not donating all the proceeds from the bag fee to charity, if you believe that, then you are a fool.
And there is no point in removing the law as the stores have found a cash cow and they won't stop charging for bags just because the city says you don't have to anymore.
They are charging outside of the city , even though the law doesn't apply to them there.
The easiest solution to all of this is paper bags. But why use those when you can charge for plastic ? ?
The law should never have been passed on a municipal level, it would have been much better served at the provincial level. And there should be something in the law that sends that money to charity, not make it optional as it currently is.
And there is no point in removing the law as the stores have found a cash cow and they won't stop charging for bags just because the city says you don't have to anymore.
They are charging outside of the city , even though the law doesn't apply to them there.
The easiest solution to all of this is paper bags. But why use those when you can charge for plastic ? ?
The law should never have been passed on a municipal level, it would have been much better served at the provincial level. And there should be something in the law that sends that money to charity, not make it optional as it currently is.
