Why is it so hard for a new-grad to get a freaking job?

[odie999]

Why is it so hard for a new-grad to get a freaking job?

Wait til you're 45 & looking in a field that's going downhill

the worst is they never reply you saying you weren't being selected.

You think that's bad? Wait til you go through 3 rounds of interviews & then never hear from them again, and when you phone 5 times you get the runaround.
Don't want to give somebody bad news? I'm OK with that ... , but some *ssholes can't even be bothered to tell a secretary to send a letter.

I got 2 years co-op experience, grade B student, i just don't understand why is it so hard to get a freaking interview.
I am running out of cash, cant hobby anymore, and i am having the same health problem as another bro 'semen level has risen, it was coming out of my eyeballs'

is there any career site that have a lot of posting for new grad?

you're in the same position I was in 1991/92. Keep plugging away, but develop a back up plan - start planning for another field & start looking for jobs to ease into that field. That way you won't take jobs leading nowhere.

don't keep hoping for 4 or 5 years that your chosen field will provide.

 

[odie999]

So I find it questionable to what degree outsourcing is contributing to the unemployment rate here in Canada. Btw, the unemployment rate in Canada as of May 2010 is 8.1% (8.8% in Ontario), which is down slightly from April from 8.2%.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujets/labour-travail/lfs-epa/lfs-epa-eng.htm

Compare that figure with the unemployment rate of 9.9% in April 2010 in the US.

http://www.bls.gov/

This guy "backs out" the government's statistical adjustments to get unemployment numbers as they would have been, if they used methods comparable to the early 1980s.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

US unemployment is 20%


other "de-fudged" data:
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data

Wish I could find similar stuff for Canada

This guy's "bart" 's work is independent of Williams' work - he also has a "de-fudged" unemployment series
http://nowandfutures.com/key_stats.html

 

[odie999]

EDIT: apologies, I jumped the gun & misunderstood: I thought you meant contractors/consultants. my reply reflex kicked in too quickly & I skipped or my mind didn't register the "part time"

as an employer ...why would i hire a full timer.. when i can hire three part-time people with the same money and get more done by them..

If they're expected to show up at a certain time & place most days and wear some minimum standard of uniform (even if it's "presentable business casual") and conduct business by your rules (instead of being independent professionals), then Rev Canada may think you tried to evade taxes on purpose, knowing the "contractors" were actually full timers, CRA might have a few penalties coming your way

It's rare for CRA to go after this so you'll get away with it, but it's a reason you might not want to ...

 

[Mikehorn]

If they're expected to show up at a certain time & place most days and wear some minimum standard of uniform (even if it's "presentable business casual") and conduct business by your rules (instead of being independent professionals), then Rev Canada may think you tried to evade taxes on purpose, knowing the "contractors" were actually full timers, CRA might have a few penalties coming your way

It's rare so you'll get away with it, but it's a reason you might not want to ...

You're assuming just because they're part time he's not remitting the proper payroll deductions for them, which is not necessarily the case.

 

[odie999]

You're assuming just because they're part time he's not remitting the proper payroll deductions for them, which is not necessarily the case.

I misunderstood the post I replied to

 

[onthebottom]

I am from University of Waterloo Math faculty, and took some business classes in Laurier.

Math is a good raw material (and one is short supply in the real world) but it's not a finished good ready to sell. What industry would you like to work in, what type of position?

OTB

 

[The Options Menu]

Why is it so hard for a new-grad to get a freaking job?
I just graduated, submitted at least hundred of job application for different position.
Not even a single interview, and the worst is they never reply you saying you weren't being selected.
I got 2 years co-op experience, grade B student, i just don't understand why is it so hard to get a freaking interview.
I am running out of cash, cant hobby anymore, and i am having the same health problem as another bro 'semen level has risen, it was coming out of my eyeballs'

is there any career site that have a lot of posting for new grad?

By hook or by crook get some EXPERIENCE. Even if you have to work for nothing for a while. Any amount of education, unless you're in a very in demand and very highly specialized field, without actual experience means diddly squat.

 

[Mencken]

Not everyone can be class Valedictorian.

If Rc2021 has the skills and interest in Accounting, as Mencken mentioned that might be something for him to consider. Perhaps not in Toronto but certainly in smaller places in Ontario, I'm sure being in a small partnership would be quite practical particularly if one is a Chartered Accountant and has also earned other professional designations.

To clarify...the CFA is not accounting and is a designation where the math background would be more useful than in accounting. But Rc probably knows all about the CFA designation...if not it is easy enough to search (Chartered Financial Anaylst)

 

[jetfuel]

This guy "backs out" the government's statistical adjustments to get unemployment numbers as they would have been, if they used methods comparable to the early 1980s.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

US unemployment is 20%


other "de-fudged" data:
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data

Wish I could find similar stuff for Canada

This guy's "bart" 's work is independent of Williams' work - he also has a "de-fudged" unemployment series
http://nowandfutures.com/key_stats.html

Odie all your posts are spot on. The dude bring out the "official" government statistics for unemployment made me laugh, governments have always lied about this. That way the sheep do not see how bad things are really.

 

[great bear]

world wide recession may have been one reason.

what is your degree?

365% but it is sitting by the wood stove.

 

[james t kirk]

It's never been easy to find a job when graduating, but this is a particularly hard time right now for any new grad.

To the OP, you have a decent degree from a good University. Your grades are fine. I hire students from University and I've hired recent grads before. Whether you have a B or an A average is / was irrelevant to me. All I cared about was that graduated AND most of all - I am looking for a kid witha work ethic. (I've been stung hiring LAZY university Grads in the past.) I'll take a hard working C average over a lazy A average any day any time. I need someone who can think on his feet, and get things done and work damn hard. No crying about how he or she can't work a few extra hours on a weekend because they want to go to a friend's cottage. To me, all else in your life is secondary to your job (short of having a baby or a family emergency.)

So me, I'm looking for the work ethic and frankly you can't tell that when you're hiring. (But the one thing I do look for with students or recent grads is shitty jobs when in High School.) As dumb as it may sound, I'm more impressed with a recent grad who worked at McDonalds in High School after school and on weekends for years than I am with a recent grad who had a good work term report (from Waterloo). No-one survives being lazy at McDonalds. (I've learned that the hard way.)

I will never hire a recent grad or a co-op university student who has never worked a part-time job when he or she was in High School. (Same goes for Charity Work - Charity work is not Work Work.)

To me, if you have the degree and you have some experience in your field when at University AND you have the shitty McJob when you were in HS, I'm willing to take a chance on you.

 

[Master_Bates]

I'll take a hard working C average over a lazy A average any day any time. I need someone who can think on his feet, and get things done and work damn hard. No crying about how he or she can't work a few extra hours on a weekend because they want to go to a friend's cottage. To me, all else in your life is secondary to your job (short of having a baby or a family emergency.)

Unforutunately, this is all to often the case these days. If you want to get ahead, you have to put in the hours/sacrifice. You need a blackberry and a laptop so your employer can reach you 24/7. Doesn't matter if you're on vacation, in the bathroom, or spending time with your favorite SP. I've been there, done that... I used to work 90-100hours a week. The money was awesome, but the rest of my life really lacked. I lost friends because I never had time for them. I missed out on life.

It's sad that people are penalized for only doing their 37.5/40hours. Work has become all to intrusive and we're on a very slippery slope. While some people will start to put in the extra 5-10 hours a week to get ahead, someone else will start putting in 15... and next thing you know you're all there all the time. Now when things get hectic, I will ask politely if anyone would like to stay and help, and if they say no, i won't hold it against them.

 

[Dewalt]

Bullshit. It isn't about working harder or smarter. It is about neopotism. Tap anyone you know from your family or friends to give you a hand. Business is full of incompetent people who take up space in mid level managment positions who just cock block others because they know "someone." Social networking, on the golf course etc. Don't buy into "you have to start at the bottom" horseshit, business doesn't work that way. Just swallow your pride and blow whomever you have to get a job. Then once you get that job, use others to get ahead - claim their work as your own, bad mouth them and climb up the corportate ladder.

It sounds harsh but that is how the babyboomers did it and it can work for you too. They have been taking up space in business and keeping corporations from being truely profitable for the past 15 yrs as they ride out towards a retirement package. Don't expect them to get out of the way - if you want their jobs you have to push them over or climb up over them. Then use your youth and energy to reinvent the playing field.


Cold I know but that is how business works.

 

[james t kirk]

Unforutunately, this is all to often the case these days. If you want to get ahead, you have to put in the hours/sacrifice. You need a blackberry and a laptop so your employer can reach you 24/7. Doesn't matter if you're on vacation, in the bathroom, or spending time with your favorite SP. I've been there, done that... I used to work 90-100hours a week. The money was awesome, but the rest of my life really lacked. I lost friends because I never had time for them. I missed out on life.

It's sad that people are penalized for only doing their 37.5/40hours. Work has become all to intrusive and we're on a very slippery slope. While some people will start to put in the extra 5-10 hours a week to get ahead, someone else will start putting in 15... and next thing you know you're all there all the time. Now when things get hectic, I will ask politely if anyone would like to stay and help, and if they say no, i won't hold it against them.

I don't expect anyone to work 90 to 100 hours a week, unless it is absolutely necessary. Then I expect him or her to rise to the occasion to do what is necessary to get things done. I also will not pay any professional more money because they put in more time. (So the money won't be any more "awesome" as you put it.) With a professional, we don't pay overtime, we don't pay by the hour. You get the same amount every cheque every 2 weeks regardless of how much time you put in. If a guy worked a ton of overtime and we made some money as a result, he'll get a bonus.

I do believe in the "give and take" scenario, but you take when you can and if things are too busy, then you don't take. If an employee were to work 100 hours in 1 week and then take 3 days off the following week, I would not have a problem with that.

Myself, I work on average 50 to 60 hours a week. Seldom 40, seldom 70 or 80.

 

[james t kirk]

Bullshit. It isn't about working harder or smarter. It is about neopotism. Tap anyone you know from your family or friends to give you a hand. Business is full of incompetent people who take up space in mid level managment positions who just cock block others because they know "someone." Social networking, on the golf course etc. Don't buy into "you have to start at the bottom" horseshit, business doesn't work that way. Just swallow your pride and blow whomever you have to get a job. Then once you get that job, use others to get ahead - claim their work as your own, bad mouth them and climb up the corportate ladder.

It sounds harsh but that is how the babyboomers did it and it can work for you too. They have been taking up space in business and keeping corporations from being truely profitable for the past 15 yrs as they ride out towards a retirement package. Don't expect them to get out of the way - if you want their jobs you have to push them over or climb up over them. Then use your youth and energy to reinvent the playing field.


Cold I know but that is how business works.

Not in my experience.

Every job I’ve ever gotten in my life – from the minimum wage thing in High School till my last employer was by pounding the pavement, sending in resumes, etc.

Only my current employ was through connections as my current boss was my client at my previous gig.

I’ve never gotten job through family. My family are not in the same line of work as I am and therefore, not in a position to give me a thing in that respect.

 

[Master_Bates]

I don't expect anyone to work 90 to 100 hours a week, unless it is absolutely necessary. Then I expect him or her to rise to the occasion to do what is necessary to get things done. I also will not pay any professional more money because they put in more time. (So the money won't be any more "awesome" as you put it.) With a professional, we don't pay overtime, we don't pay by the hour. You get the same amount every cheque every 2 weeks regardless of how much time you put in. If a guy worked a ton of overtime and we made some money as a result, he'll get a bonus.

I do believe in the "give and take" scenario, but you take when you can and if things are too busy, then you don't take. If an employee were to work 100 hours in 1 week and then take 3 days off the following week, I would not have a problem with that.

Myself, I work on average 50 to 60 hours a week. Seldom 40, seldom 70 or 80.

I'm not saying that anyone needs to do those many hours (overall, I probably averaged 60-70hours/week at that job).. BUT if you want to stand out, you will have to be willing to go that extra mile farther than everyone else. There is little/no way to get to the top of any company if you're not willing to put in the hours.

 

[girorok66]

I'm not saying that anyone needs to do those many hours (overall, I probably averaged 60-70hours/week at that job).. BUT if you want to stand out, you will have to be willing to go that extra mile farther than everyone else. There is little/no way to get to the top of any company if you're not willing to put in the hours.

Put in the long hours smartly and be visible esp. to you the management team. Be sure it is/will be acknowledged. Only put these extra hours on critical issues/problems and be recognized as the "problem solver"/"savior" not just your boss but also your co-workers. Use the long hours you work with your co-workers as a networking opportunities. You gotta let your boss to take some credits but if he always take the full credit and has a track record as a slave driver, move on to somewhere else eventually. Putting on long hours day after day may not be the best strategy as this only shows you are not very good in time management (and it is not very healthy). There are also other ways to show commitment at work like taking on extra responsibilities, contributing ideas to new and effective ways to do business (esp. if it makes +ve impact to bottom line), etc.

 

[rc2021]

I'm more impressed with a recent grad who worked at McDonalds in High School after school and on weekends for years than I am with a recent grad who had a good work term report (from Waterloo). No-one survives being lazy at McDonalds. (I've learned that the hard way.)

I personally had a few PT job as barista (bartender) thought out my high school and first year of university life, but my career center took me to take it off since it may make me look like unprofessional, since most people think it is related to alcohol. Do you think is a good idea to put it back in?

 

[thecuriousgeorge]

There is far too many posts to this thread to read them all so i'll jump in from the OP.

I too just graduated in April, with a degree in Actuarial sciences (act sci to ppl in the program) and I've applied to a variety of places...but the only job/career I got was through my networking...

Not sure if its been said but NETWORK your ass off....i got a very good job through my brothers friends sisters uncle....seriously!
My resume also looks very very attractive (6 certificates including 2 from schulich, a diploma, and a degree along with over 1000 volunteer hours) and still nothing...the only offer was through connections....

Put in the time networking..it'll pay off!

Good luck

 

[Mr. Lucky]

Go to Europe and make a porno