Perpetual motion machine at work ???

[Yoga Face]

IT SEEMS TO ME IN THE NEXT TWO VIDEOES THEY USE MAGNETISM TO CREATE NON STOP MOTION

NO FREE LUNCH AS THE ENERGY IS TAKEN FROM THE EARTH'S MAGNETIC CHARGE

CORRECT ??

Why not use this motion to create electricity ????

Invented by Mr. Reidar Finsrud, the whole machine is placed inside a glass mount, to prevent visitors who view the machine in the gallery from touching it.
A steel ball (about 2.7 inch diameter, 20 pound) is rolling on an aluminum track, about 25 inches in diameter, placed horizontally. Three pendulums, about 45 inches long with tunable weights at the lower end, controls three horse-shoe magnets that the steel ball has to pass by on the track. Embedded in the track is a (mechanical) controlling/timing mechanism. It looks like a steel wire bent into a triangular track, 5 inches long. The ball rolls over it and pushes the wire down through a slot in the track. This affects one of the pendulums and regulates its swinging motion. The steel ball has not stopped revolving for months.

 

[Yoga Face]

All of the magnets oppose one another. The machine has been operating for two years. Some people say that since it uses magnets, it is not perpetual motion. Magnets do eventually wear out

 

[Big Rig]

My guess is the effect is too small to exploit but with bigger magnets .............. ????

There has to be a reason or they would be doing it

Must be a world wide oil conspiracy ( insert evil sarcastic grin here )

 

[WhaWhaWha]

 

[basketcase]

IT SEEMS TO ME IN THE NEXT TWO VIDEOES THEY USE MAGNETISM TO CREATE NON STOP MOTION

NO FREE LUNCH AS THE ENERGY IS TAKEN FROM THE EARTH'S MAGNETIC CHARGE

CORRECT ??

Why not use this motion to create electricity ????
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Because generating electricity would mean removing energy from the system.

As for the machines, unless there is a vacuum (no air resistance), no surfaces in contact (friction), and no other causes of heat generation, the system will not conserve energy and the motion will stop.

 

[Yoga Face]

Because generating electricity would mean removing energy from the system.

As for the machines, unless there is a vacuum (no air resistance), no surfaces in contact (friction), and no other causes of heat generation, the system will not conserve energy and the motion will stop.

I cannot see this

Yes it would remove energy from the machine but bigger and more powerful magnets ( they can create very powerful magnets ) should allow for removal of energy

This motion does not stop until the magnets wear down (which magnets do)

This machine uses the same energy that moves a compass that somehow comes from the magnetic field (or the energy stored in the magnet ?) - free energy but no free lunch - like Niagara Falls the energy is freely given by nature

YET

this principal is not expoited for a reason I just wonder what that reason is ????

I do not agree with your rationale although you could be correct WTF do I know ???

 

[KBear]

Because generating electricity would mean removing energy from the system.

This gadget is generating noise, which requires energy, and is heard outside the system.

 

[danmand]

The ONLY way, these machines can work perpetually, is if they somehow manage to draw energy from the
earths magnetic field (or another hidden magnetic field) , in the same way as wire through a magnetic field
creates a current (Oersted). I do not know a lot about magnetism, but I suspect that moving one magnetic field
relative to another will create a force.

 

[Yoga Face]

The ONLY way, these machines can work perpetually, is if they somehow manage to draw energy from the
earths magnetic field (or another hidden magnetic field) , in the same way as wire through a magnetic field
creates a current (Oersted). I do not know a lot about magnetism, but I suspect that moving one magnetic field
relative to another will create a force.

First, they are not a perpetual machine as magnets do wear out

As to where the magnets energy comes from I am not sure but it is there the question is why are they not exploiting it ???

 

[danmand]

First, they are not a perpetual machine as magnets do wear out

yeajh, in about a hundred years. The energy to move the masses is not coming from the deterioration of the magnets.

 

[Yoga Face]

yeajh, in about a hundred years. The energy to move the masses is not coming from the deterioration of the magnets.

Either that or the earth's magnetic field

Where does the energy come from that spins a compass needle?

 

[danmand]

Either that or the earth's magnetic field

or an electromagnetic field generated out of sight. (that is where I would put my money)

 

[Yoga Face]

or an electromagnetic field generated out of sight. (that is where I would put my money)

The earth's magnetic field draws the compass needle to it BUT when the needle moves does that mean the earth's magnetic field has just deteriorated by the same amount of energy (or mass)

OR has the energy come from the needle ( perhaps the atomic alignment within the needle) ?

 

[Berlin]

Alternative energy

IT SEEMS TO ME IN THE NEXT TWO VIDEOES THEY USE MAGNETISM TO CREATE NON STOP MOTION

NO FREE LUNCH AS THE ENERGY IS TAKEN FROM THE EARTH'S MAGNETIC CHARGE

CORRECT ??

Why not use this motion to create electricity ????

I'll throw in a couple guesses:

1/ The method is not efficient enough for generating power for the mass , because

2/ many of these alternative free energy researchers do not receive at all or enough fundings from the governments for further research , because

3/ large corporations that sell or deal with conventional energy and technologies do not like new comers eating into their pie.

or




4/ some of those methods are simply flawed or hoaxes.

 

[Berlin]

Here's an old ( and long ) documentary on zero point energy for those who are interested.

Mind you, at least one of the featured inventors was rumoured to be a scammer. Interesting docu nonethless.


Tesla The Race to Zero Point Free Energy ( Documentary ZPE ) alternative science

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7365305906535911834#

 

[Yoga Face]

I'll throw in a couple guesses:

1/ The method is not efficient enough for generating power for the mass , because

2/ many of these alternative free energy researchers do not receive at all or enough fundings from the governments for further research , because

3/ large corporations that sell or deal with conventional energy and technologies do not like new comers eating into their pie.

or




4/ some of those methods are simply flawed or hoaxes.

I discount number 2 and 3 as I refuse to believe in wacky conspiracies

number 4 may be true but the damn things are working so how are they a hoax ???

Number 1 seems most likely or some genius from MIT would have been working on it long ago but just make the thing bigger and why cannot it can spin a turbine and the magnetic charge is taken free from nature ( although I do not know where nature surrenders this energy from )

 

[Whosyodaddy]

Although magnet fields are running the device, I would say that the energy being "used" to power the rotation of the steel ball against parasitic drag ( air resistance and mechanical friction of the moving parts ) comes from the counter rotational energy being absorbed by the stand, and it's attachment to the earth. Newton's laws of motion... For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.. I would postulate that, if the device was on a frictionless surface, it would begin to rotate counter-clockwise.

Some notes on the mechanism itself..

The horseshoe magnets are mechanically pulled away from the steel ball as it approaches, the magnetic attraction between the ball and the magnet accellerates it along the path. Newton's law of motion and conservation of energy dictate that an equal and opposite force to the pull of the magnet was created... and absorbed by the magnets mount and passed on to the base on which it sits.

The device could easily be modified to "prove" that it creates energy.. just change the ball for a steel wheel with a connecting rod to power a small generator ad light even a small LED.. That wouldn't impact the design or function of the device, but it would prove output.

Another way to "prove" that it creates would be to let it pick up speed...

 

[torontojohn]

Why do these things always involve pendulums, magnets, and eccentric gearing?

If there are magnets involved, I guarantee that energy is being fed INTO the system. There will be electromagnets and an external power source.

If there are pendulums involved, there will be a hidden motor driving it (or sometimes the pendulum gets pushed by hidden electromagnets at either side).

If there is ANY movement, there is friction. That means some form of captured energy is being turned into heat and sound. This is guaranteed NOT to be coming from 'magnetic decay'. Magnets don't decay like that.

 

[basketcase]

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If there are pendulums involved, there will be a hidden motor driving it (or sometimes the pendulum gets pushed by hidden electromagnets at either side).

Like the one that is (used to be?) at the ontario science center.

If there is ANY movement, there is friction. That means some form of captured energy is being turned into heat and sound. This is guaranteed NOT to be coming from 'magnetic decay'. Magnets don't decay like that.

Don't interrupt this discussion with actual science!

 

[basketcase]

For Yoga...

The Law of Conservation of Energy (excluding nuclear reactions) states that energy is not created or destroyed, merely changed into other forms. That means that any electrical energy gained would be lost from the system. Pick up one of the hand held generators and see how much kinetic energy is needed to create the small electrical potential required to power a LED light or emergency radio.

In a system using conventional magnets would end up canceling out any benefit. Although the magnet could attract a steel ball and cause motion, when the ball passed the magnet, the attractive force would result in deceleration of the ball. It may be possible to minimize this by using a magnetically polarized object to move but that wouldn't work for a rotating ball. Therefore they would have to be using electro-magnets which means electrical energy is being put into the system.

It is also know that when energy is transformed, some percent of it is essentially lost (changed into forms that are no practical use). Noise, air resistance, heat, (and the creation of electric energy) are all forms of energy being taken away from the kinetic energy of the ball. That means for the machine to continue working energy must be added (and to generate electricity more energy would have to be added than the electrical energy generated.

If you want to look at the generation of "free" energy, the current (excuse the pun) endeavors are in taking energy that won't be missed - from the motion of cars. A couple companies in Canada and the US are looking at using mechanical actuators in roadways that create electricity as cars drive over them. There is even a Burger King in the states that has installed a speed bump in their drive thru that does this. The criticism of these are that they steal more energy from cars than their normal operation (lower fuel efficiency). More interestingly, an Israeli company is testing a roadbed that generates electricity from the vibrations that are normally generated by cars as they drive. The same technology could also be used on rail beds or runways.

Lots of small companies looking for better sources of electricity but these crazy machines are just gimmicks that people have been faking for a long time. I preferred the hoax of cold fusion.