Wow are you ever a cynic but hey I'm getting kind of use to your contrarian banter. The following is the only link I found but it seems to match more with the experience of some of the woman on this board whom I tend to believe more than I would believe you. (actually I wouldn't trust you for advice on how to walk across the street). While this issue has been debated, there is a medical explanation that does go beyond just simple urination. I'll even bet that your the kind of dude that believes firmly that this subject is just another feminist attempt at being able to do something a man can.
kf
Such emotional opinions based on such a paucity of data! I’m tempted to say nothing, as I’m all for wet spots, and the lack of hard evidence that is helping to encourage them.
However, this last mention of the feminist perspective on the data, exhibits such an amusing cluelessness, that I have to say something. The modern feminist agenda is pretty unhappy about the “female prostate” label, wanting to have nothing to do with anything that compares them to males, especially the notion that their prostates may be smaller, or vestigial, or even vaguely related. If you ever feel like a swift kick in the nuts, from someone other than an SP specializing in such things, go mention to a feminist the exciting conclusion reached by Beltzer in 1981 “that it is theoretically plausible,” (that some of her orgasmic ejaculatory excretions) “may be from a embryologic homologue to the male prostate!”
Enjoy yourself.
The problem with Wikipedia, we must be continually remind ourselves is that it is written by us, actual Terbites in some cases, and is continually evolving. The Female Prostate article alluded to was written by someone who actually believes in the female prostate, and while it provides some references, I doubt it will be around in its present form for very long.
Since KF mentioned he could only find one reference, I invite him to go to the Wikipedia article on Female Ejaculation, and check out the ‘Nature of the Fluid’ section/paragraph. But please, check the references. Summaries are available online. There are only four, by the way.
The first one by by Addiego and colleagues reported in 1981 was of only one, single, solitary person.
While the study convinced a lot of people that female ejaculation exists and that it comes from the female prostate, the study, however, has been negatively peer reviewed with the criticism of no control for volume differences in the ejaculation fluid samples and the urine samples. And that the samples showed higher levels of PAP(prostatic enzyme) three orders of magnitude lower (1000 times lower) than seen in male prostatic fluid.
The next study by Goldburg, Whipple, et al was of eleven women (only six of whom were ejaculators) and examination of the ejaculate of the six failed to detect elevated levels of PAP and the substance appeared similar in biochemical properties to urine. This studies methodology is considered in peer review to have been “rigorous” and the result did not support the author’s previous contentions in the area. In other words, it sounds like they expected a different outcome.
The next study by Belzer and Whipple, 1984, found seven subjects to examine, and their study contradicted the previous one. The samples seemed to differ from urine, with one woman's sample well within the normal male ejaculate range for TIAP (used to be PAP) (15,000 units vs. 2.4-155 for the other samples).
This study, unfortunately, is completely fucked up, as the authors did not actually supervise the collection of samples and cannot say how they were actually obtained. Peer criticism further extends to finding no sense of controlling for bias in the study at all.
Wikipedia contributor of that section doesn’t mention this, merely states in comparing the two studies, (one rigorously scientific, and the other flawed and sloppy) by “suggesting that results depend critically on the methods used.”
This statement is pure Wikipedia. It is not untrue - just not helpful, confusing, and suggestive of bias.
I love Wikipedia. I just know she’s a lying bitch that you have to watch like a hawk. This kind of thing is why you’re not allowed to stand up in a serious discussion, a science convention for example and say, “Well according to Wikipedia….”
So to continue with the next study, the 1985 study by Alzte, et al, the largest study of all, found the ejaculate of all 27 sample subjects to be “chemically indistinguishable from urine.”
Then hooray! in 2007, Wimpissinger, Stifter, Grin and Stackl, studied two women with the findings that the fluid was biochemically different from voided urine samples and showing all the parameters found in prostate plasma.
This study is too new to access unless I try an institutional connection rather than my internet.
That’s it. So far. And you guys are screaming at each other, and name calling?
If we eliminate the 2010 studies conducted by tboy, et al here of the University of Terb, of taste test comparisons with unspecified control samples of previously tasted urine, and consider them anecdotal, and, if we’re agnostic on the subject we call the Belzer and Whpipple 1984 study inconclusive, what we have left is a rather dismal range of data to base these highly-exercised conclusions upon.
We start with a handful of squirters scientifically, biochemically analyzed to date, (only 43) with the majority (33) just pissing the bed. This leaves only three with some PSA which is significant, and 6 from a highly discreditable study showing positives one with such high PAP levels, it would seem likely to have contained some actual man goo mixed in.
Still, we do have three women out of 36 that seem to show that something is definitely going on, beyond, or more than, them just them just pissing the bed.
Urine is often clear, odorless and tasteless when its fresh, and the body is healthy and well hydrated. I can suggest a simple test for our junior home scientists - and that would be to capture a sample, and check for an ammonia smell a few days later compared to a sample of urine taken at around the same time.
But do you really want to know?
My advice is just keep saying, “Go Squirters!” and just keep putting down the quilt pads, keep Scotch Guarding the mattress, keep some extra sheets handy, and just keep going at it.
