I don't think anyone could deny that about the guy... unfortunately the controversy in recent years and the media frenzy that ensued as a result, has overshadowed all the rest...
I know you guys mainly hate M.J. but....
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I wouldn't quite say 25 years... but the last thing worth listening to was in 1991- so call it 18 yrs. But I see your point and agree.
I find your lack of respect for the law unworthy of being prime minister of this country, Mr. Harper. Can't wait for the election for justice. lol
MJ was never convicted, lots of chatter and innuendos but until it's recognized by the courts it's not official. Talk all you want, but those are the facts and principals we've accepted in our society
Although there have been better singers, dancers, song writers and producers, he probably is second to no one as an overall entertainer. The world has always been transfixed by his every move, from every corner of the world. You don't get to have history's number one best selling album for nothing, he obviously had talent. Deny all you want, but the stats don't lie.
FWIW, glad to hear you say that Harpo.
Therefore I'm sure YOU will apply this SAME 'glorious standard' to Dubya and Darth Cheney who have done far far far more and worse of those 'criminal acts' you opine over MJ doing, in spite of never being convicted in a criminal trial. After all if you don't agree, you are merely just another typical conservative hypocrite that we find so common down here in the States....
He chose to sleep with young boys. He would then make payoffs. Did he molest them? Who knows. Is it reprehensible behavior? I think so. He had money and people would offer up their sons. Would you let your 8 year old sleep with the 40 year old man next door who has a serious drug habit and odd behavior in public?
As for his talent... many eclipsed him as an entertainer... his sole claim to fame in the last 20 years was as a freak show and paying crowds to come out.
1. Do I think he was a child molester? YES. Would I have ever let my child sleep with a grown man, regardless of how "harmless" he may have seemed? NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.
2. Do I still like his music? YES.
One does not necessarily exclude the other. I still enjoy listening to Bing Crosby's "White Christmas", and he was a son-of-a-bitch who beat his children.
Frankly, I think that MJ must have spent millions supressing potential lawsuits over the years. I think we only heard about 2 where for some reason his lawyers were unable to buy off the complainants.
Not to completely hijack the thread, but does anyone remember the Mike Tyson trial and conviction for rape? I always thought that MT got a bit of a raw deal on this one. The girl testified that she had no idea when she accompanied him to his hotel suite that she was going to have sex with him. If this is genuinely true then she was the dumbest woman in the hotel that night. I have no wish to "blame" the victim, but I just wonder if this really was a "he said - she said" issue that was intended as a shakedown and then at some point the "victim" was in too far over her head and so she simply stuck to her story right to the bitter end.
2. Do I still like his music? YES.
One does not necessarily exclude the other. I still enjoy listening to Bing Crosby's "White Christmas", and he was a son-of-a-bitch who beat his children.
Frankly, I think that MJ must have spent millions supressing potential lawsuits over the years. I think we only heard about 2 where for some reason his lawyers were unable to buy off the complainants.
Not to completely hijack the thread, but does anyone remember the Mike Tyson trial and conviction for rape? I always thought that MT got a bit of a raw deal on this one. The girl testified that she had no idea when she accompanied him to his hotel suite that she was going to have sex with him. If this is genuinely true then she was the dumbest woman in the hotel that night. I have no wish to "blame" the victim, but I just wonder if this really was a "he said - she said" issue that was intended as a shakedown and then at some point the "victim" was in too far over her head and so she simply stuck to her story right to the bitter end.
Tell me this ... conviction or no conviction, would you let your kids sleep over at the house and sleep in the bed of a man accused of child molestation on multiple occassions? No? Case closed.
Now what was that again about his selling a few records? That stuff should take a back seat to the more important thing in life, don't ya think, like the safety of innocent children? If not, then where the heck are your priorities?
BTW, OJ was acquitted in a court of law. Does that mean that he didn't do it? Do you really think he's innocent? If so, then perhaps that says more about you.
Amen. RIP MJ & George Carlin
Greatest of all time? I don't think there is a greatest of all time entertainer. He was the greatest music entertainer of the latter 50 years of the 20th century though.
LOL, society will finally do the right thing and remember MJ for the great gifts he brought to the world. Likewise, haters like you will grow old whining and screaming "MJ's a pedophile" while the world moves on and ignores you.
Sorry.
Hmm, seems like people here have known MJ as the accused paedophile and an alien looking creature which danced.
I have had arguements like this a few times. But I can't find my post on another forum so will say this.
Does anyone know that MJ has been performing since he was 10 ? This guy practically had the talent AND knew how to show it best. But most people won't notice the little details about the way he conducts himself onstage.
MJ personifies perfection on stage. He can do solo, group, duet songs/dance and have you noticed how he moves the mic to accomodate himself during a song ? He does it so smoothly you think its part of the dance. THAT is why he is the best.
His stage etiquette, aura and respect to his fellow artists is a joy to watch and notice. He enjoys himself and most importantly, you feel like the music is trying to be in sync with MJ's moves, not the other way around ! Thats the level that every dancer aspires to.
Who can perform these physically intense concerts dancing/singing for like 2 hours like he did ? I mean cmon seriously.
People saying ' he was above average' or ' there were others far better ' , with all due respect, are either clueless or their idea of a 'performer/entertainer' maybe different than mine
I have had arguements like this a few times. But I can't find my post on another forum so will say this.
Does anyone know that MJ has been performing since he was 10 ? This guy practically had the talent AND knew how to show it best. But most people won't notice the little details about the way he conducts himself onstage.
MJ personifies perfection on stage. He can do solo, group, duet songs/dance and have you noticed how he moves the mic to accomodate himself during a song ? He does it so smoothly you think its part of the dance. THAT is why he is the best.
His stage etiquette, aura and respect to his fellow artists is a joy to watch and notice. He enjoys himself and most importantly, you feel like the music is trying to be in sync with MJ's moves, not the other way around ! Thats the level that every dancer aspires to.
Who can perform these physically intense concerts dancing/singing for like 2 hours like he did ? I mean cmon seriously.
People saying ' he was above average' or ' there were others far better ' , with all due respect, are either clueless or their idea of a 'performer/entertainer' maybe different than mine
No, I wouldn't. This is a question you should address to the parents that said yes.
You've got it all backward. You and your hatred will be forgotten when you die, because your points are trivial. However, ultra talented eccentric men like MJ (many who suffer from horrific personal vices) who have made undeniable contributions to humanity, will be remembered forever. Who gives a fuck about poor little johnny who slept in MJ's bed? Not me. You and every tom and dick self-righteous tard doesn't either. Fuck him and his family. History will dust them under the rug, in essence telling them to fuck off, too.
No I wouldn't.
But hey, those parents did and guess what, they like money.
Case will always be open.
Did MJ molest kids ?
Did we really land on moon ?
Was 9/11 an inside operation ?
See where I am going ?
Yo Harpo!
Do you really think them innocent? If so, then perhaps that says more about you.....
Therefore I'm sure YOU will apply this SAME 'glorious standard' to Dubya and Darth Cheney who have done far far far more and worse of those 'criminal acts' and disregard for the safety of innocent children you opine over MJ doing, in spite of never being convicted in a criminal trial. After all if you don't agree, you are merely just another typical conservative hypocrite that we find so common down here in the States....
Do you really think them innocent? If so, then perhaps that says more about you.....
It's different behavior. Reprehensible behavior? Only if kids were molested. If they weren't, there is nothing reprehensible about it. It's not what we would consider normal, but it's not reprehensible by any means.
No, only shitty greedy parents would offer their kids up to somebody like that.
How do you quantify many? Name them.
He didn't need any claim to fame in the last 20 years. He already made his mark in world history in the years preceeding the last 20 years. The fact that he was a freak and did questionable things in the past 20 years doesn't change what he accomplished before then.
MJ's personal vices or virtues are outshined by his public contributions. Few care that Mark Twain was a piss poor business man in his personal life and went broke. We remember him and celebrate him for his literary works. This is how history works. Anybody who thinks that 2 alleged cases of child molestation that were never proven will take precedent over MJ's lifelong musical/entertainment accomplishments in the decades to come, just doesn't get it.
Jackson is a dead child molester. His legacy is just that. His superficial wealth is based on fraud and exploitation. He could dance? Yes, but so can lots of strippers. He could sing? Sometimes. But, to claim to be a "Genius"? NEVER. He was nothing more than a little "manboy/lounge act" with a drug problem and daddy issues. Any lasting musical credibility in his catalogue belongs to Quincy Jones who is a real talent. The comparison to Twain is insulting and moronic. Mark Twain was an intelligent original thinker who lived and died for his art, not profit. Jackson lived for money and died for nothing. Let him rot, and lets stop talking about him.
How's that working for ya? You and all the haters can't even stop talking about him. LOL. Apparently, you just don't get it.
