Strike May Not Be Over!!!

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buckwheat1

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CUPE is going back to the table today to talk with the city, this may delay votes by both union and the city and thefore the strike may go on and on!!!
AS I orgionally said just grandfather the sick days and there would be NO strike it took 5 weeks to get there act together
 
Cupe 79 is voting now as we speak, there is a line up downtown of workers wanting to vote and get back to work, they were advised by their union to go vote. If this doesn't happened, it will be hell for everyone.

My understanding they are only going back to the city to talk about the start date for workers to go back to work, not to reopen anything in the agreement. 79 wants to start work tomorrow but 416 is questioning this for some reason. Miller has also spoke from both sides of his mouth regarding the start date, so it's quite confusing. How stupid was this handled???:confused:
 
I'm of two minds on this:

I'm furious that we'e wasted 5 weeks for nothing. This could have been resolved months ago, and since it wasn't I was expecting much better for the city and its taxpayers. WTF, if you're going to wait this long give it another 5-10 weeks, and get your costs in line. Otherwise privatize.

On the other hand, this shows that Miller has caved and has no handle on labour relations and the city budget, and he will/should be voted out next year.

I'll take the short term battle loss in favour of winning the war for taxpayers.
 
Blue5658 said:
On the other hand, this shows that Miller has caved and has no handle on labour relations and the city budget, and he will/should be voted out next year.
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Good luck with that... lemme know how that works out for ya! :rolleyes:
 
BLUE: It shouldn't of happened in the first place, however teh thing that saved the city some money it that there were NO HOT DAYS lik JUly like 30+ degrees. The premier didn't want to order them back to work because the house wasn't sitting and it would cost thousands to bring them back for a few days, now after saying that if they were ordered back to work the city would of been in worse condition. An appointed labour arbitrator wopuld of never taken sick days away or even capped them, he would of looked at recent contract signings by the city which were at 3% a year and council at about 2.75% teh city would of lost big time. One thing that's not stated STD is expensive and it's like car insurance when someone uses it preuim goes way up. The city has like 33000 workers what ghappens say 500 are on STD
tehn onto LTD look out it may cost more over the years say like in 15-20 years.
 
Miller always caves. strikes a deal and gives away the ship with next to nothing in return. It always comes back to haunt and cost us. Not only the sick days, unreasonable raises ove 3 years, but also big overtime to make up the lost union money ?????
 
What did you want Miller to do he was in a catch 22 position

give the union everything they wanted or have a strike and try and get some concessions, Miller couldn't win.
 
buckwheat1 said:
What did you want Miller to do he was in a catch 22 position

give the union everything they wanted or have a strike and try and get some concessions, Miller couldn't win.
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Sure he could have, months ago, by telling the union early that the buffet was closing, but he wanted to still have he's feet in both camps and didn't realize that probably couldn't be.
 
He could tell them anything he wanted they would of stayed out and eventually they would of been ordered back to work and the city would of lost bigtime!!!
 
OMG Buckwheat is sort of right

buckwheat1 said:
He could tell them anything he wanted they would of stayed out and eventually they would of been ordered back to work and the city would of lost bigtime!!!
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Arbitrations usually come up the middle but management who wants to take a hard line on something is in a tough spot. Arbitration by its very nature looks to pattern settlements in the closest situations it can find. Therefore, cops firefighters teachers etc all 3%/yr compounded would look fair to an arbitrator. Sick days? Everybody else gets to keep them why take them away from CUPE.

I've been to the arbitrations. Cops friggin love them, they just keep saying T O cops must be #1 in Canada. This sets the bar for all the civic unions. It is seen as discrimination not to give same % raise. Not same wage LaRue, same % raise.
 
Police and firefighters in TO won 'retention bonuses' a few years back because some employees were leaving for jobs in smaller towns with less pressure but comparable wages. Since then, the arbitrators have awarded these same 'retention bonuses' into almost every police and firefighter contract across the province, regardless of whether retention was ever a problem...

Now, retention is once again a problem in Toronto - guess what happens next?
 
OddSox said:
Police and firefighters in TO won 'retention bonuses' a few years back because some employees were leaving for jobs in smaller towns with less pressure but comparable wages. Since then, the arbitrators have awarded these same 'retention bonuses' into almost every police and firefighter contract across the province, regardless of whether retention was ever a problem...

Now, retention is once again a problem in Toronto - guess what happens next?
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A part of the problem is that there are a few union members that violated the picket line protocals and the city wants to fire them, the union disagrees, another part of the problem is the cleanup issue. The unuion is counting on all that overtime to make up for lost wages if the city does agree to it the politicians will pay, the holiday monday coming up with its triple time rates for working is also on the table right now.

This could actually blow up in everybodies face. Glad I don't live in Toronto
 
buckwheat1 said:
What did you want Miller to do he was in a catch 22 position

give the union everything they wanted or have a strike and try and get some concessions, Miller couldn't win.
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Miller caved in the last contract without getting anything substantial, hid the result and now we are paying for it big time.(and will continue to well into the future)

I used to vote for him but have finally found out that he is all talk.
 
I think they should now stay out and all steps should be taken to "bust the union(s)." These guys are really greedy and our Mayor and Council are gutless.

Hire private companies to cross the lines and clean up the messes at the tempoary sites. Torotonians for the most part are sick and tired of the union running the City whether it's in the Mayor's office or on the picket line. We can put up with a little discomfort so long as we get something positive,

"F**k 'em !"
 
Mrbig1949 said:
Arbitrations usually come up the middle but management who wants to take a hard line on something is in a tough spot. Arbitration by its very nature looks to pattern settlements in the closest situations it can find. Therefore, cops firefighters teachers etc all 3%/yr compounded would look fair to an arbitrator. Sick days? Everybody else gets to keep them why take them away from CUPE.

I've been to the arbitrations. Cops friggin love them, they just keep saying T O cops must be #1 in Canada. This sets the bar for all the civic unions. It is seen as discrimination not to give same % raise. Not same wage LaRue, same % raise.
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Yes I understand, however, why is it assumed there is any raise period?
Raises should be based upon merit, not membership.
The city revenues are not an ever expanding pool for your lot to wallow in.
 
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