A little police brutality for ya
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This took place last November, the 15 year old girl was under arrest for auto theft. The 31 year old King County (Seattle area) Deputy Sheriff has been charged with fourth-degree Assault (excessive force) by the King County Prosecutors Office. The incident began when the girl kicked one of her shoes at the Deputy.
Yes, it certainly does appear that excessive force was used but at least to my eyes it doesn't appear as the reporter states that "he beat her." (hit yes, beat no).
Yes, it certainly does appear that excessive force was used but at least to my eyes it doesn't appear as the reporter states that "he beat her." (hit yes, beat no).
Have you ever seen someone who has actually been beaten? What about beaten so badly that they had to be hospitalized?fernie said:
Striking a teen twice, is not a beating. As to whether is was justified I don't believe that it was, but a jury will decide. Was it poor judgement since the girl was in a cell, and the deputy could easily have just closed and locked the cell door and written out a summons for the assault - again I believe so.
However even egregious bad conduct doesn't turn it into a beating. However, you will see that the deputy has been charged with Assault (Battery).
Why do I even respond? "Beating" is a term that is used to describe the hair pulling, striking violently and throwing the kid into a wall. She was arrested for stealing one of her friends parents' car. No one said she was beaten so bad she had to be hospitalized.Aardvark154 said:
Like I said before Chris Brown would probably love you the jury. Anyone who can quibble over the use of term "beating" after watching this video is a defendants dream. Did Rhianna get a beating for chrissakes?
The video has gone viral. Do you really think a video that merely shows an officer striking a teenager twice would be so popular? It's even posted on Perez Hilton for chrissakes.
Do a google news search on this topic. It appears many newspapers used the same term "beating" to describe the incident. Is English your second language as you have put a very fine definition on the use of the term?
That cop was beating this girl while training the other officer. That's sick. Thank goodness for these videos. It's only with these videos and the ability to circulate them widely that officers like these and the RCMP officers who killed the Polish visitor are held accountable.
Fernie
Yup, the cop went way too far but to call that a beating is ridiculous. I know the politically correct lovey dovey cuddle and hug the criminal types will freak over this but we have NO idea what the girl said or did to the cops prior to this short segment of the video.
As for using the popularity of the video on the net in any sense doesn't mean a darn thing. I mean hell, the numa numa video went viral too! lol
I for one will wait for all the evidence before jumping on the "hang the cop" bandwagon.
As for using the popularity of the video on the net in any sense doesn't mean a darn thing. I mean hell, the numa numa video went viral too! lol
I for one will wait for all the evidence before jumping on the "hang the cop" bandwagon.
If that was your sister.... or neice... or even friend, you two wouldn't be so callous as to describe that as anything less than a beating. If you think that only people who have it in for the police (as in Tboys "hang the police" comment) are the ones who find this amount of force to be extremely excessive, you are both WAY out of touch. Both of you ask yourself this. If the video was of that same girl taken some money out of an ATM and a man the same size as that cop, did that to her.... would you not want the robber going to jail for a couple of years?
Here is a test, send that clip to your friends and ask them to reply with an answer of either yes or no as to whether or not this video qualifies as a beating. I'll bet most of your friends say yes. And if both of you have police as friends, even better. I think even a member of the police would consider that a beating. In fact, if that video was reversed and it was a female cop and she was assaulted like that, do you think she would not pull her gun and threaten to shoot the man if he continued to attack?
Here is a test, send that clip to your friends and ask them to reply with an answer of either yes or no as to whether or not this video qualifies as a beating. I'll bet most of your friends say yes. And if both of you have police as friends, even better. I think even a member of the police would consider that a beating. In fact, if that video was reversed and it was a female cop and she was assaulted like that, do you think she would not pull her gun and threaten to shoot the man if he continued to attack?
Wump: you can't compare an innocent bystander at an atm to a criminal arrested for car theft. You also cannot compare a provoked attack to a random assault.
Yeah, if it was my niece, daughter or whatever my feelings would be different but I would STILL refrain from classifying that as a beating. I mean hell, that one of the cop smacking around the skater kid was worse than this. In fact, my niece WAS assaulted not long ago (by someone she knew) and the first thing I asked was: what you'd do to provoke it? Sorry, but it is extremely rare for a random stranger to just walk up on someone and start smacking them around.
Let me ask YOU something wump: do you know what she did prior to that video to provoke the guards? If you've ever watched any of the Lockup shows on MSNBC you'd know that they put up with a hell of a lot of shit before getting physical but believe me, when threatened they WILL get physical. (and a threat constitutes any aggressive movement towards them and includes spitting, lunging, elbowing, throwing shoes.)
I have said this before and will keep saying it: we don't know the whole story and I for one will wait until I do before jumping to any conclusions.......
I will also repeat something I say all the time: Don't fuck with the POlice. They have the power to put you down and they will. Everytime.
Yeah, if it was my niece, daughter or whatever my feelings would be different but I would STILL refrain from classifying that as a beating. I mean hell, that one of the cop smacking around the skater kid was worse than this. In fact, my niece WAS assaulted not long ago (by someone she knew) and the first thing I asked was: what you'd do to provoke it? Sorry, but it is extremely rare for a random stranger to just walk up on someone and start smacking them around.
Let me ask YOU something wump: do you know what she did prior to that video to provoke the guards? If you've ever watched any of the Lockup shows on MSNBC you'd know that they put up with a hell of a lot of shit before getting physical but believe me, when threatened they WILL get physical. (and a threat constitutes any aggressive movement towards them and includes spitting, lunging, elbowing, throwing shoes.)
I have said this before and will keep saying it: we don't know the whole story and I for one will wait until I do before jumping to any conclusions.......
I will also repeat something I say all the time: Don't fuck with the POlice. They have the power to put you down and they will. Everytime.
The question though is why she kicked the shoe at the officer.
Did they tell her to take her shoes off? Or did she do it intentionally?
At the end of the video, the other officer does take her other shoe off.
If you watch the show Jail, this isn't too out of the ordinary.
Did they tell her to take her shoes off? Or did she do it intentionally?
At the end of the video, the other officer does take her other shoe off.
If you watch the show Jail, this isn't too out of the ordinary.
First of all my sister and niece were brought up well enough not to steal anyone's car, not to mention being respectful to others.wumpscut said:
Secondly, sure I'd be upset that they got hurt... I'm sorry that the girl in the video got treated like that... but I am a mature adult and I'd wait until I got the full story before acting.
Based on what we saw on that clip, yes it seems a little excessive response to her action. However we cannot see what went on before they got to the door of the cell so we cannot say whether or not the cops response was over-and-above.
Perhaps the girl should learn that only an idiot fights a losing battle for no good reason.
Tboy, I am only going by what we see on the video... she appears to flick off her shoe at the cop and perhaps she was "talking back" at him when they were putting her in the cell. How doing that would necessitate slamming her head in the wall and punching her pull force I cannot imagine.
Moraff, I'm not saying that this girl was not deserving to go to jail. She stole a car, that definitely deserves to be punished. But you saw the video and no matter how nasty her insults to the cop might be if she said something to the police were or even how pissed the cop was that she flicked her shoe at him, he FREAKED out and acted like a thug rather than a policeman. When he slammed her head into the wall, he could have killed her.... for flicking her shoe at him?
I have a feeling that both Moraff and Tboy might have friends who are cops and have more insight into how tough a job it must be and how much abuse and disrespect that they must endure than I do. But that still does not give police cart blanche to assault people that have pissed them off. I realize that we will probably never know what preceded the incident to work that cop into such a rage. But can either of you even imagine what she could have said or done by kicking her shoe off at the cop to warrant this overreaction? If so tell me some of the possible "provocations" that would make this a fair response.
Moraff, I'm not saying that this girl was not deserving to go to jail. She stole a car, that definitely deserves to be punished. But you saw the video and no matter how nasty her insults to the cop might be if she said something to the police were or even how pissed the cop was that she flicked her shoe at him, he FREAKED out and acted like a thug rather than a policeman. When he slammed her head into the wall, he could have killed her.... for flicking her shoe at him?
I have a feeling that both Moraff and Tboy might have friends who are cops and have more insight into how tough a job it must be and how much abuse and disrespect that they must endure than I do. But that still does not give police cart blanche to assault people that have pissed them off. I realize that we will probably never know what preceded the incident to work that cop into such a rage. But can either of you even imagine what she could have said or done by kicking her shoe off at the cop to warrant this overreaction? If so tell me some of the possible "provocations" that would make this a fair response.
I'm really surprised that this vid got out. Alot of this stuff has been known to either miraculously never get recorded or just plain disappear. Either she knows somebody or he isn't well respected in his dept. With his history he might not be politically correct and they might be looking for an opportunity to get rid of him.
As for the "beating" she does get slammed pretty hard. Remember there is quite a size difference here. I'm wondering if it's a 200lb man if he would have reacted the same way, no matter what the whole story is.
As for the "beating" she does get slammed pretty hard. Remember there is quite a size difference here. I'm wondering if it's a 200lb man if he would have reacted the same way, no matter what the whole story is.
What a fucking dangerous life these brave policemen have. To have
a teenage girl kick a shoe off in your direction is real dangerous, and would
clearly scare any LE enough for two beefy cops to jump on the girl.
I am surprised they did not get a medal for extreme bravery.
a teenage girl kick a shoe off in your direction is real dangerous, and would
clearly scare any LE enough for two beefy cops to jump on the girl.
I am surprised they did not get a medal for extreme bravery.
This type of behaviour is not that unusual.
Have a cop friend who quit because he got tired of watching the other cops do this stuff.
Look at the other cop, he did not pull his buddy off looks like he helped actually
cops stick together like hells angels even when they are in the wrong
killings take place as well
a few years back an Angel "slipped" down the stairs inside jail and beat himself up so bad on the way down he died
when you have 20 cops saying that is how it happened then that is how it happened
cherry beach is the known area in downtown toronto where cops take their victims for a beating
Have a cop friend who quit because he got tired of watching the other cops do this stuff.
Look at the other cop, he did not pull his buddy off looks like he helped actually
cops stick together like hells angels even when they are in the wrong
killings take place as well
a few years back an Angel "slipped" down the stairs inside jail and beat himself up so bad on the way down he died
when you have 20 cops saying that is how it happened then that is how it happened
cherry beach is the known area in downtown toronto where cops take their victims for a beating
I don't know this for sure, but I'd say the reason she did that is because she is a punk who stole a car and probably was giving the cops a hard time from the moment she was arrested.ig-88 said:
As for her learning not to fight a losing battle, the only thing she'll learn from this is that she can still piss on authority and if they react, they'll get in trouble......(and she'll get a hug and a kiss on the cheek by the lovey dovey hug a criminal types).
