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Israel announces a unilateral cease fire

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It's unclear what it means yet. It looks like they are going to keep the army inside Gaza for now and say they will resume the attacks if the rocket launches resume.

It's hard to imagine that Hamas will stop launching rockets.
 

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fuji said:
It's unclear what it means yet. It looks like they are going to keep the army inside Gaza for now and say they will resume the attacks if the rocket launches resume.

It's hard to imagine that Hamas will stop launching rockets.
It means that it was near inevitable that Israel would announce a cease fire before Obama was sworn in, not because he helped bring about any deal but because the Israelis don't really know what his policy will be and are trying to play it safe.
 

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Asterix said:
It means that it was near inevitable that Israel would announce a cease fire before Obama was sworn in, not because he helped bring about any deal but because the Israelis don't really know what his policy will be and are trying to play it safe.
And that OTB is a genius :D

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It means absolutely nothing... other than a PR move. Their requirements for a cease-fire is for Hamas to stop fighting. But Isreal says they will keep troops in Gaza. Hamas says they will keep fighting as long as troops are in Gaza. Don't look promising to me.
 

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And that OTB is a genius :D

OTB
I made the same prediction in another thread before you started yours OTB, and I don't recall I tried to suggest it would be because Obama might try to broker a deal either. Get over yourself.
 

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Don said:
It means absolutely nothing... other than a PR move. Their requirements for a cease-fire is for Hamas to stop fighting. But Isreal says they will keep troops in Gaza. Hamas says they will keep fighting as long as troops are in Gaza. Don't look promising to me.
It isn't, but they stopped purely to see what Obama would do or not do, since they don't really have a clue. The only thing they know for sure is that he won't give them the same carte blanche that George did.
 

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It isn't, but they stopped purely to see what Obama would do or not do, since they don't really have a clue. The only thing they know for sure is that he won't give them the same carte blanche that George did.
Apparently not carte blanche with those reports about Bush turning down a request to raid Iran.
 

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The bombing continues until H-Hour (2am Israeli time), so hopefully Israel will kill as many Hamas members and most importantly senior members as humanly possible. It may look like a cease fire, but Hamas, those terrorists, will continue to shoot rockets, Israel will say "look, look, they fired a rocket", and more Hamas terrorists will feel the brunt of more TNT on their skulls.

Hamas are simply not rational human thinkers. Well, they can't learn in Gaza Islamic University anymore, thank goodness. It's fried like a McDonalds' burger now. Let's not forget Hamas is a terrorist organization and is recognized as such by Israel, the US and The EU.

Gyaos Baltar.
 

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Don said:
It means absolutely nothing... other than a PR move.
What it will do is make it crystal clear who the real aggressor is if Hamas continues fighting after Israel stops.

Nobody expects Hamas to stop and that's because we all know that they are blood-thirsty murderers hell bent on the destruction of Israel who have no interest whatsoever in any lasting peace.

Was it the Hamas or Hezbollah leader who said it was good Jews were migrating to Israel because it will save them the trouble of hunting them down worldwide?
 

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Isn't it ironical that all of the countries calling for Israel to stop are not victims of Hamas rocket attacks?
 

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Funny quote that sums up Hamas.

Hamas said late Saturday that it reserves the right to continue resisting Israel "with all means" if Jerusalem does not follow up its ceasefire with a withdrawal from Gaza and lifting the blockade on the territory, a Hamas official said on Saturday.

"The Israeli declaration is not enough," Ali Barakeh said in the Syrian capital.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056134.html

So the guy safe at home in Syria is vowing that the people of Gaza will continue the fight (on his behalf).
 

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What it will do is make it crystal clear who the real aggressor is if Hamas continues fighting after Israel stops.
That is a bit artificial given Israel has been shelling the crap out of them, and admittedly hitting targets not associated with Hamas. Israel has enforced an 18 month economic blockade that crippled the region, and now there are tens of thousands homeless and thousands killed or maimed.

For all that, Hamas would be the real aggressor for fighting back?

Israel has blood on its hands, and its own form of propaganda for justifying its actions.
 

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Garrett said:
That is a bit artificial given Israel has been shelling the crap out of them, and admittedly hitting targets not associated with Hamas. Israel has enforced an 18 month economic blockade that crippled the region, and now there are tens of thousands homeless and thousands killed or maimed. For all that, Hamas would be the real aggressor for fighting back?
Targets not associated with Hamas? Who told you that, Ban Ki Moon, who doesn't give a shit about the millions dead in North Korea (to play devil's advocate, literally)? Every explosion without Hamas unconditionally surrendering IS a target fully associated with Hamas. That's it, there is no negotiation, no debate with that fact. Hamas is responsible for all of it. They are terrorists. They oppress their people. They kill their own. They attack Israel.

HAMAS ****IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION**** Period. The defense of Israel is NOT NEGOTIABLE. The blockade is correct. The entire world cut funding because of Hamas. They have 10, 15 children per family and they can't afford one. Where's Planned Parenthood?

That is first, foremost and undisputed. Everything beyond that you can then argue.

Gyaos Baltar.
 

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fuji said:
What it will do is make it crystal clear who the real aggressor is if Hamas continues fighting after Israel stops.

Nobody expects Hamas to stop and that's because we all know that they are blood-thirsty murderers hell bent on the destruction of Israel who have no interest whatsoever in any lasting peace.

Was it the Hamas or Hezbollah leader who said it was good Jews were migrating to Israel because it will save them the trouble of hunting them down worldwide?
What planet do you guys come from?? The aggressor is still militarily stationed INSIDE Gaza, killed nearly 1200 people, created a humanitarian disaster and still continues its blockade. Or do you think the aggressor will be the now wounded Gaza leadership that no longer has control of the rocket rage of rebel organizations such as Islamic Jihad? God forbid a 4th Israeli civilian is by chance killed.
Get real!
 

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*d* said:
What planet do you guys come from?? The aggressor is still militarily stationed INSIDE Gaza, killed nearly 1200 people, created a humanitarian disaster and still continues its blockade.
On this planet Hamas is the one that has fired upwards of 6000 rockets at innocent civilians, and as a charter that calls for genocide.

You might want to visit us here on Earth again some day.
 

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*d* said:
What planet do you guys come from?? The aggressor is still militarily stationed INSIDE Gaza, killed nearly 1200 people, created a humanitarian disaster and still continues its blockade. Or do you think the aggressor will be the now wounded Gaza leadership that no longer has control of the rocket rage of rebel organizations such as Islamic Jihad? God forbid a 4th Israeli civilian is by chance killed.
Get real!

Guys please note that Fuji (I doubt he is Japanese) and Basketberg...er...case. Are pretty much the official Israel apologists on the board. They feel Arab children throwing stones at an Israeli tank deserve to be dealt with with a hypervelocity 120mm round fired from a smoothbore tank gun. ;)
 

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Listen guys....the answer is simple. Israel has a ceasefire before Obama comes into office. Hamas still fires rockets. Obama comes into office. Israel retaliates on Obama's watch. Obama blames Hamas because there was already peace at the start of his watch. More Palestinian suffering

As far as for Israeli occupation in Gaza the answer is simple. If Hamas does not start something no one gets killed. After time, Israel moves out of Gaza.

How simple can that be? When will Hamas get with the program? They got their ass kicked or do more Palestinians have to suffer. They are the laughing stock of the Arab world behind closed curtains
 

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fuji said:
On this planet Hamas is the one that has fired upwards of 6000 rockets at innocent civilians, and as a charter that calls for genocide.

You might want to visit us here on Earth again some day.

Hamas is just shelling Palestinian territory....the Israelis were just dumb enough to move on to a Hamas artillery range lol
 

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fuji said:
On this planet Hamas is the one that has fired upwards of 6000 rockets at innocent civilians, and as a charter that calls for genocide.

You might want to visit us here on Earth again some day.
But in reality (here on earth) its only the innocent civilians of Gaza that have actually suffered to the level of genocide.
 

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But in reality (here on earth) its only the innocent civilians of Gaza that have actually suffered to the level of genocide.
Bullshit. You are trivializing genocide. Nothing even remotely close to that has happening. People like you who water down words make me sick to my stomach: Do you have absolutely no respect for what the victims of a real genocide experienced?

Maybe you should review the documentary footage from Rwanda or Cambodia again before you go around insulting what those people suffered by calling a few hundred innocent civilians incidental/accidental death's a genocide.

Radical arab groups do, however, contemplate the genocide of Jews and make statements like they're glad they're all in Israel so they won't have to hunt them down worldwide, etc.
 
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