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Frankfooter's bullshit about the bet was addressed in another thread:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...rbon-tax-lol&p=6097301&viewfull=1#post6097301

Let's get back to the question in this thread: Frankfooter, why did your TERB user name change from "Groggy" to "Frankfooter"?

Frankfooter said:

Yes, and it was shown that you were the one trying to switch out the chart we bet on.
You were trying to cheat.

Because you lost.

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I addressed your lies about the bet in the other thread.

Answer the question: Why did your TERB user name change from "Groggy" to "Frankfooter"?

(By the way, did anyone else notice that Groggy/Frankfooter doesn't dispute that he still thinks the CBC's reference to the "pre-industrial age" referred to the year 1990. :biggrin1

There sure is a lot of evasion going on for a guy who claims to be so honest and transparent.

Let's try again: Frankfooter, why did your user name on TERB change from "Groggy" to "Frankfooter"?

You must know the answer. Please enlighten us.

JohnLarue said:

Oh !!!!!
That explains soooooooo much....

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Indeed.

He seems rather evasive on this topic, though. One must think his posting record wasn't quite as noble as he would have had us believe.

Frankfooter said:

Hey pornaddict, explain to me why you think that moviefan won the bet on 2015's temp, when we bet whether it would go to 0.83ºC and the temp actually went to 0.86ºC.

All you have to do to confirm that is click on the link in moviefan's original bet post and read the number off of the chart.

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Hey, PornAddict, take a look at this image and see if you agree with Groggy/Frankfooter that the two graphs are exactly the same:

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/v3b+v4_lrg.png

Because the 0.83 number that Frankfooter is citing came from the graph on the left, while the 0.86 comes from the one on the right, after the methodology for calculating sea surface temperatures was changed (https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/).

Once the methodology changed, the graph in the link that Frankfooter keeps referencing also changed. Yes, it is actually possible that NASA -- the organization that put a man on the moon -- has people working for it that know how to change a link on a web page. Believe it or not.

And what happens when you mix and match numbers from different graphs that are using different methodologies? Well, you might find yourself claiming -- as Groggy/Frankfooter repeatedly does -- that 0.13 is a bigger number than 0.15.

Obviously, that's wrong. That's because it is against the laws of science and math to mix and match numbers from different data sets.

0.13 is less than 0.15. That's not my opinion -- it's a statement of fact. That means Groggy/Franky lost.

JohnLarue said:

As I have said all along, whether you misrepresent yourself as Frankfooter or Groggy, you lack intelligence, credibility and integrity

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I think it's worse than that.

He is now in his third year of trying to argue that 0.13 is a bigger number than 0.15. That's not just wrong -- it's insane.

One other note -- Frankfooter has posted so many lies about me in recent years that I'm sure I could approach the mods and seek to have "Frankfooter" get the same treatment that "Groggy" received.

But why would I?

The great thing about Franky's bullshit is it's almost always so astonishingly idiotic that it does nothing more than generate huge laughs. Indeed, he does more to discredit man-made global warming on TERB than anything any "denier" could ever hope to accomplish.

With that said, here's the updated version of Frankfooter's greatest hits on global warming, with a couple of the most recent idiocies added at the bottom.

Man-made global warming: Frankfooter's greatest hits

- Nov. 10, 2015 -- He calculated that the "pre-industrial age" refers to the year 1990: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...armer-Planet&p=5394609&viewfull=1#post5394609. He repeated that claim on Nov. 21: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ing-Point%92&p=5404144&viewfull=1#post5404144

- Nov. 21, 2015 -- He claimed it was "conspiracy thread business" to assert that NASA's pre-adjusted data (which ran to the end of May) showed there wasn't a single month in 2015 that was a record breaker: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5403467&viewfull=1#post5403467. He spent an entire weekend making that argument until he was finally forced to concede that I was right.

- Nov. 27, 2015 -- This is still one of my favourites. He posted a graph that he said shows the "IPCC's projection" for 2015: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5410384&viewfull=1#post5410384. Then, after it was explained to him that the graph shows the IPCC's predictions have been spectacularly wrong, he said it was "not an IPCC projection" and ran away from his own graph: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5416739&viewfull=1#post5416739

- Nov. 29, 2015 -- He said NASA and NOAA don't use sea surface temperatures in their calculations of the global temperature anomalies: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-Change&p=5411862&viewfull=1#post5411862. Actually, they do.

- Dec. 1, 2015 -- Another classic. He said the ninth month of the year is "March": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5414060&viewfull=1#post5414060

- Dec. 5, 2015 -- He posted what he said is a Met Office graph that shows updated HadCRUT4 data: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-HottestYear&p=5416886&viewfull=1#post5416886. In fact, the graph came from Columbia University and uses the entirely different NASA data.

- Jan. 8, 2016 -- He said NASA has "never altered any data, all they did was alter the weighting of ocean temperature readings....": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5443355&viewfull=1#post5443355

- Jan. 10, 2016 -- He said I was "lying" when I said that a temperature change from 0.68ºC to 0.83ºC is an increase of 0.15ºC: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5445053&viewfull=1#post5445053

- Feb. 3, 2016 -- He said the calculation that the average of 0.75 + 0.82 + 0.84 + 0.71 + 0.71 is 0.766 is "denier math": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?550100-The-End-is-Near&p=5466417&viewfull=1#post5466417

- Feb. 4, 2016 -- He called it "lying your face off" when I said the difference between 0.43 and 0.68 is 0.25: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?550100-The-End-is-Near&p=5466781&viewfull=1#post5466781

- Feb. 8, 2016 -- A gem. He said the graphs on NASA's Vital Signs of the Planet page were "fake": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5470561&viewfull=1#post5470561. He repeated the claim on Feb. 13 when he said the NASA graphs had been "possibly doctored": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5473971&viewfull=1#post5473971

- Feb. 11, 2016 -- He dismissed NASA GISS director Gavin Schmidt's graph of temperature anomalies as "dodgy": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5472913&viewfull=1#post5472913

- Feb. 11, 2016 -- He said NASA GISS director Gavin Schmidt's Twitter account isn't "legit": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5472991&viewfull=1#post5472991

- Feb. 20, 2016 -- He said it was a "blatantly false claim" that the difference between 0.74 and 0.84 is 0.10: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5479780&viewfull=1#post5479780

- March 3, 2016 -- He said it's "not possible" for 0.89 to equal 0.89: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-change&p=5489838&viewfull=1#post5489838

- March 27, 2016 -- He said it was "incredibly stupid" to conclude that half of 2ºC is 1ºC: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-Early-April&p=5509136&viewfull=1#post5509136

- April 23, 2016 -- He tried to claim that 0.75 and 0.87 are the exact same number: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...believers%92&p=5531128&viewfull=1#post5531128

- April 23, 2016 -- He claimed the average temperature for the period from 1961 to 1990 is a "different baseline" than the average temperature for the period from 1961 to 1990: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...believers%92&p=5531216&viewfull=1#post5531216

- May 1, 2016 -- He said that a climate researcher who thinks warming is 99% due to natural causes believes that "anthropogenic" climate change is happening: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5537250#post5537250

- May 11, 2016 -- He said all of the warming since 1850 was caused by humans (even the IPCC doesn't support him on this one): https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5546112#post5546112

- May 12, 2016 - He said the warming "slowdown" in the 21st century "still fits" Michael Mann's hockey stick graph: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-Frankfooter&p=5547096&viewfull=1#post5547096

- April 11, 2018 - He said anyone who thinks 0.68 is the same number as 0.68 must be "so stupid": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...rbon-tax-lol&p=6097320&viewfull=1#post6097320

- April 15, 2018 - He said that 0.68 C and 0.73 C are the exact same number: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-of-collapse&p=6100750&viewfull=1#post6100750

Frankfooter said:

Click on your link and tell me where it says anything about the two numbers you claimed I used.

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Sure.

Here are the terms of the bet, which Frankfooter accepted. The agreed upon terms include a description of the temperature anomalies that appeared in the graph at the time we made the bet:

Moviefan-2 said:

We might get a bet, once you agree to use one chart for recording the results.

For example, your NASA chart that shows 1995 at 0.43 degrees Celsius put 2014 at 0.68 degrees in 2014: http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.

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On April 15, 2108, Frankfooter posted the following challenge to PornAddict:

Frankfooter said:

Hey pornaddict, explain to me why you think that moviefan won the bet on 2015's temp, when we bet whether it would go to 0.83ºC and the temp actually went to 0.86ºC.

All you have to do to confirm that is click on the link in moviefan's original bet post and read the number off of the chart.

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Frankfooter explicitly told PornAddict that opening this link would confirm the numbers from the bet, such as the 0.68 C temperature anomaly for 2014 that was described in the agreed-upon terms.

However, when you open the link, you find the temperature anomaly for 2014 cited as 0.73 C: https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

There is only one conclusion that explains Frankfooter's statement to PornAddict that opening the link would "confirm" the numbers from the bet. Frankfooter must believe that 0.68 and 0.73 are the exact same number.

No other interpretation is possible. My description of Franky's greatest hit from April 15, 2018, is 100 per cent accurate.

By the way, the terms of the bet in the post above clearly show we bet on the temperature increasing from the 0.68 C anomaly in 2014 (the anomaly that was being reported in the graph we actually bet on) to 0.83 C in 2015.

Yet Frankfooter says there was "no reference" to an increase of 0.15 C: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-of-collapse&p=6102057&viewfull=1#post6102057

This is another one for the "greatest hits." Frankfooter, tell us what number you get when you subtract 0.68 from 0.83?