ACTUAL SCIENTIST: "Climate Change is a Scam!"

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Actually you're wrong. Since the instrumental temperature record was tracked the climate cooled in the 30 year period from 1880-1910 and again from 1940-1970
We are discussing the consistent warming that occurred through the early part of of this century.
 

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Actually you're wrong. Since the instrumental temperature record was tracked the climate cooled in the 30 year period from 1880-1910 and again from 1940-1970
Give up Doug,...fuji will NEVER acknowledge those facts,...

Also the fact that the temp. rose at the same rate in the 30 years from 1910,...as it did for the last 30 years,...and then cooled as you noted,...another fact he will run away from.

But will simply respond with nonsensical jabbering,...and childish insults,...
 

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Give up Doug,...fuji will NEVER acknowledge those facts,...

Also the fact that the temp. rose at the same rate in the 30 years from 1910,...as it did for the last 30 years,...and then cooled as you noted,...another fact he will run away from.

But will simply respond with nonsensical jabbering,...and childish insults,...
Keep squeeling. It's a fact that the climate has warmed consistently in proportion to CO2 output.
 

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Keep squeeling. It's a fact that the climate has warmed consistently in proportion to CO2 output.

BULL SHIT,... as Doug and I have proven,...

During one period,...CO2 rose in response to the temp. rise.

And you still have no guts to answer posts,...but if you don't doesn't understand the subject,...that's ok then fuji,...just don't keep on wasting band width.
 

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BULL SHIT,... as Doug and I have proven,...

During one period,...CO2 rose in response to the temp. rise.

And you still have no guts to answer posts,...but if you don't doesn't understand the subject,...that's ok then fuji,...just don't keep on wasting band width.
If you had proof you'd have a link to a credible journal instead of crank videos on YouTube.
 

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If you had proof you'd have a link to a credible journal instead of crank videos on YouTube.
I didn't post a link to ANY video fuji,...so I don't know what your bull shit again is all about.

The fact that the temp. rose at the same rate in the 30 years from 1910,...as it did for the last 30 years,...and then cooled,...what other explanation do you have for that event fuji,...???
 

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I didn't post a link to ANY video fuji,...so I don't know what your bull shit again is all about.

The fact that the temp. rose at the same rate in the 30 years from 1910,...as it did for the last 30 years,...and then cooled,...what other explanation do you have for that event fuji,...???
So CO2 emissions fell during a world war and the great depression. Thanks for confirming AGW.
 

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So CO2 emissions fell during a world war and the great depression. Thanks for confirming AGW.
And that bull shit is your answer to my following post,...???

Originally Posted by FAST
I didn't post a link to ANY video fuji,...so I don't know what your bull shit again is all about.

The fact that the temp. rose at the same rate in the 30 years from 1910,...as it did for the last 30 years,...what explanation do you have for that event fuji,...???
Or are you going to have to run away and read some magazine again,...and then get back to us,...???
 

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We are discussing the consistent warming that occurred through the early part of of this century.
Keep squeeling. It's a fact that the climate has warmed consistently in proportion to CO2 output.
If you had proof you'd have a link to a credible journal....
This isn't the first time in this thread that I have provided a link to this February 2016 article in Nature, which specifically refutes the adjusted data that claimed to show "consistent" warming over the past 30 years:

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/jour...0&spJobID=862987827&spReportId=ODYyOTg3ODI3S0

It is a matter of record that Fuji has completely rejected the findings from the peer reviewed paper that appeared in Nature last year.

That's his right.

But it is pure bullshit for Fuji to claim the peer reviewed papers support his claims about the observed data. Some do. Others clearly do not -- such the one linked above (for the umpteemth time).
 

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Keep squeeling. It's a fact that the climate has warmed consistently in proportion to CO2 output.
Not quite. And that's because the GCM's don't properly account for natural variations in climate. What we do know that for every doubling of CO2 levels we will see about 1C of warming, other things being equal. Problem is - other things don't remain equal. Solar activity, oceans, cosmic rays, tectonic shifts, volcanoes, earth's axial tilt, cloud cover, albedo. They all play a factor in short and long term climate fluctuations. And they are not modelled because we don't know enough about their behavior.
 

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Not quite. And that's because the GCM's don't properly account for natural variations in climate. What we do know that for every doubling of CO2 levels we will see about 1C of warming, other things being equal. Problem is - other things don't remain equal. Solar activity, oceans, cosmic rays, tectonic shifts, volcanoes, earth's axial tilt, cloud cover, albedo. They all play a factor in short and long term climate fluctuations. And they are not modelled because we don't know enough about their behavior.
The longer you time horizon the less natural variation matters. So you see things like natural variation deviating from the prediction for ten or twenty years, but not for fifty years.

Which is why climate is defined as thirty year average weather, shorter time periods than that are absolutely dominated by natural variation.

As you say we know that CO2 is driving up the temperature, over the LONG run. On timescales of thirty years or less it's hard to make an accurate prediction but it actually gets easier over timescales of fifty or s hundred years. Volcanos, El Niños, sun spots, etc, all just wash out of the average over longer time periods.
 

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20 years vs 30 years vs 50 years ??
The earth is 4.5 Billion years old and has had a constantly changing climate driven by numerous events and numerous constantly changing factors
The timeline here is not even a rounding error relative to the history of the earths climate
There is no way in hell one can be absolute on any conclusion using the recorded data set

And tossing about a magazine name "Nature" does not change that fact
Nor does someone saying "No you are wrong" or "it has been proven" or "my opinion disagrees with you so lets call my opinion a fact"
 

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20 years vs 30 years vs 50 years ??
The earth is 4.5 Billion years old and has had a constantly changing climate driven by numerous events and numerous constantly changing factors
The timeline here is not even a rounding error relative to the history of the earths climate
There is no way in hell one can be absolute on any conclusion using the recorded data set

And tossing about a magazine name "Nature" does not change that fact
Nor does someone saying "No you are wrong" or "it has been proven" or "my opinion disagrees with you so lets call my opinion a fact"
When you can quote from a top journal we will take you seriously. Not before then. This is a grown up conversation.
 

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That article supports AGW. Thanks for posting it. Shall I quote from it again???

How about this quote,...

"It has been claimed that the early-2000s global warming slowdown or hiatus, characterized by a reduced rate of global surface warming, has been overstated, lacks sound scientific basis, or is unsupported by observations. The evidence presented here contradicts these claims."[/B]

,...That you and your unemployables claim isn't happening.
 
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