You should have checked out the interview that I linked to in the previous post. We do know what Muller thinks of Mann. He thinks the hockey-stick graph is a load of crap.
http://prn.fm/2012/08/01/green-front-dr-richard-muller-080112/#ixzz22nkSzW84
Interesting read re. Global warming
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I can prove this whole global warming thing is hysteria.
Due to Russia, India and China joining the industrial revolution late in 1993, we have tripled CO2 output the last 16 years or so. So if we have tripled CO2 we should also see a rise in temperatures, and yet we see nothing.
Rise in CO2 graph from 1990's to 2012. CO2's have tripled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
And now look at temperatures over that same time period, they have not changed at all:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/14/article-2217286-157E3ADF000005DC-561_644x358.jpg
Translation: While I think some warming is going on, the whole thing is blown out of proportion
Due to Russia, India and China joining the industrial revolution late in 1993, we have tripled CO2 output the last 16 years or so. So if we have tripled CO2 we should also see a rise in temperatures, and yet we see nothing.
Rise in CO2 graph from 1990's to 2012. CO2's have tripled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
And now look at temperatures over that same time period, they have not changed at all:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/14/article-2217286-157E3ADF000005DC-561_644x358.jpg
Translation: While I think some warming is going on, the whole thing is blown out of proportion
Don't give up your day job.I can prove this whole global warming thing is hysteria.
Due to Russia, India and China joining the industrial revolution late in 1993, we have tripled CO2 output the last 16 years or so. So if we have tripled CO2 we should also see a rise in temperatures, and yet we see nothing.
Rise in CO2 graph from 1990's to 2012. CO2's have tripled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
And now look at temperatures over that same time period, they have not changed at all:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/14/article-2217286-157E3ADF000005DC-561_644x358.jpg
Translation: While I think some warming is going on, the whole thing is blown out of proportion
Next time I'm art Starbucks I'll make sure I drop a quarter in your tipjar, rockie
There are over 20+ factors that contribute to climate change, one of which is CO2 level which in turn contributes ~35%.Next time I'm art Starbucks I'll make sure I drop a quarter in your tipjar, rockie
You are an idiot who lacks the most basic understanding of science, as evidenced by this post.
You are not smart enough to try to make these cases and you really should be extremely embarrassed that you would even post this.
Why?
I'll try to explain but I expect it may be too much for you.
Chart #1
you said
Now go back to the wiki page you copied the chart from, read the text directly below the chart you copied.
It says:
Got it, that's a chart of China's output, not global.
And you claimed:
Now take a look at a chart of Global CO2 output:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#Relative_CO2_emission_from_various_fuels
Still stand by this claim?
Easy there tiger. I made a mistake, I included the wrong graph.
You could do without the name-calling too.
And yes, I stand by what I wrote. The world didnt triple their CO2 output, but China did. And I believe India did also (or at the very least greatly increased their CO2's). But remember their combined population equals about 2.5 billion, thats almost half the world's population.
India and China are now also in the top 5 in the world when it comes to CO2 output: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
You could do without the name-calling too.
And yes, I stand by what I wrote. The world didnt triple their CO2 output, but China did. And I believe India did also (or at the very least greatly increased their CO2's). But remember their combined population equals about 2.5 billion, thats almost half the world's population.
India and China are now also in the top 5 in the world when it comes to CO2 output: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
Okay, lets try that again.
When India, China and Russia joined the industrial revolution in the 1990's they greatly started increasing their carbon footprint. They had industries before the 1990's, but nowhere near the scale they do now.
Here's a chart on how much carbon they started putting out: http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/01/30/what-the-future-holds-in-store/
And now its 2012 (almost 2013), and CO2 output has increased from 5,000 million metric tons to 9,000 million metric tons . Yet we have seen no warming in the last 16 years worldwide.
If that much more CO2's were released into the atmosphere we should have seen at the very least some warming, or at the very worst drastic warming. And yet we see no temperature change whatsoever
When India, China and Russia joined the industrial revolution in the 1990's they greatly started increasing their carbon footprint. They had industries before the 1990's, but nowhere near the scale they do now.
Here's a chart on how much carbon they started putting out: http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/01/30/what-the-future-holds-in-store/
And now its 2012 (almost 2013), and CO2 output has increased from 5,000 million metric tons to 9,000 million metric tons . Yet we have seen no warming in the last 16 years worldwide.
If that much more CO2's were released into the atmosphere we should have seen at the very least some warming, or at the very worst drastic warming. And yet we see no temperature change whatsoever
Read up and learn something for a change, lazy boy. Off the top, I could probably name a dozen of so, but this is first year climatology stuff these days. I've mentioned couple of them in an earlier post.
Good, so if its first year climatology stuff you should have no problem naming them.
And name all 19 factors, please!!
CO2 has gone up significantly in recent years while the Earth's temperature has pretty much remained constant.
What that says is that the relationship is not 1:1.
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Graph's like this seem to say the temperatures have increased since the industrial revolution took hold and is increasing faster more recently, compare that graph with one of population growth.
I said I could come up with about 12 not 19. The last number is based on known basic fact. If you think i'm going to do your google search research for you, think again.
In no particular order, the sun's heat, earth's orbit, tilt, water, methane levels, ocean currants, volcanos, flora & fauna, extraterrestrial impacts, atmospheric currents, albedo, vapour, plate tectonics.
Actually, you said 20+
Good, its not 20+ but I'll take it.
These are all natural phenomena though, and not relevant to the discussions because earth has survived for millions of years in spite of these natural phenomena, and will probably survive for another million years.
We're discussing manmade CO2 related global warming. Leave the natural stuff for another thread
The whole discussion in climate change, check the OP, nice try. You're discussing this more narrow topic, which is just a single factor in a more complicated equation, to counter the belief in a severe climate change problem.
I dont dispute there's natural factors that add to the warming of earth. But the discussion is whether manmade CO2's add to global warming in addition to the natural phenomenon you listed
As Richard Muller has pointed out, many of these graphs are of a dubious quality.
