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S.C. Joe

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Yeah the police is the USA shoot and kill more bad guys, but problem is, sometimes they shoot the wrong person. This young man got married last weekend and his 19-year-old wife is expecting a baby in December..now hes dead thanks to the police :(

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-10-28-23-21-15


Oct 28, 11:21 PM EDT


ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) -- A newlywed killed by police after he stepped outside his home to confront suspected burglars was shot in a case of mistaken identity, police said.

Julian Alexander died after being shot twice in the chest by a police officer who was chasing four burglary suspects early Tuesday morning.

Police Chief John Welter said the officer ran into Alexander, mistook him for one of the four juvenile suspects and shot him.

"The last thing we ever want to do, No. 1, (is) take somebody's life," he said. "And we certainly don't want to take the life of someone who is mistakenly believed to be involved in some criminal activity."

"He was a good kid, trying to protect his house," said Alexander's mother, Michelle Mooney. "And the police, instead of asking questions, they just shot first. Somebody has to be held responsible for this."

Welter would not release the officer's name, but said he was a 10-year veteran of the department. The officer was placed on paid leave pending an investigation.

"It's mistaken identity, but that doesn't bring my son back," said Alexander's father Jerry.

He said Alexander .

Alexander's wife and mother said they heard the gunshots and tried to go into the yard, but the officer told them to stay inside. They saw Alexander handcuffed and bleeding in the front yard, they said.

Paramedics treated him at the scene and took him to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

The four burglary suspects were detained and interviewed, but no arrests were made.

Welter said investigators would interview the officer to determine what commands he gave to Alexander before he fired. Investigations will be conducted by the FBI, the Orange County Office of Independent Review and the district attorney's office, Welter said.
 

nottyboi

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So many morons on this board seem to like this shoot to kill attitude. Here's an example of how it can go wrong...the killing of the Brazilian man in the UK as a suspected suicide bomber was also another example of this madness.
 

Aardvark154

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1) It's a terrible tragedy and nothing will bring this young man back

2) the police officer I would certainly believe is devastated by this.

3) the police officer (insurance) and the City of Anaheim are doubtless going
to be making substantial wrongful death payments.

4) the officer may well end up being fired as a result a disciplinary hearing.

5) the officer may end up facing State and/or Federal criminal charges.
 

Aardvark154

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Anyone who hasn't taken "shoot - don't shoot" training really should seek the opportunity to do so. Some of the comments made wouldn't seem so "obvious" nor "simplistic" afterwards.
 

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Kill The Innocents

Just because the fucker hasn't committed a crime yet doesn't mean he shouldn't die!

KILL KILL!!! KILL HIM BEFORE THE TRIAL!!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!

C'mon guys! Support me on this! This is the way we think right? Have a suspicion, a smidgen of evidence, kill!!! KILL THE WORTHLESS SCUM!! FEED OUR BLOODLUST! KILL!!!

If you haven't figured out that I'm being a touch ironic yet, well, it's a totally lost cause.

Let me guess, the victim was black right?

C'MON KILL ALL THE FUCKERS!!! ANYONE WHO'S SUSPECTED MUST DIE! SHOOT THEM NOW! KILL!!!!
 

S.C. Joe

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It used to be the police could only shoot you if they felt you were a threat to them or others...like you have a gun in your hand. Today I guess the police can just say they felt you were going to charge-hit them-with no weapon in hand....after all, with females on the force now, all rules might be for all officers.

We see what happens to this officer but would not be surprise if he just has to go get a refeasher course and is back on the streets a year later.

Yes, his 19 year old with and baby should be well taken care of money wise...guess shes young and will find another man...hopefully it will not take years for her to get any money.

Didn't check what race they were, didn't even think of it when I first seen it..does it really matter :confused:
 

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And the question is....

...since we know the guy who GOT shot was unarmed, were the robber suspects armed? I am thinking since they were captured and later released...no.

THIS is the real problem....the protocol for using deadly force. There used to be...in some jurisdictions at least (I believe Chicago where I grew up was one of them), that every time a cop un-holstered his gun it was a BIG DEAL...and he wasn't supposed to do so unless he was VERY HIGHLY CONFIDENT his or other life / well being was at risk.

What I am confident happened since was some police union made a case that some number of cops were dying because they were getting shot before they could draw their weapons.

So now...we have cops running around with their guns in hand...amped up for a fight.

Now...why you need to be at the ready to shoot some people who are TRYING TO FLEE that you haven't even determined are armed and who are suspected of nothing more than non violent robbery is beyond me (do cops really think residential B & E guys are looking to get into shoot outs with the police??). And I am sure someone (guess who?) will come a-ranting about cop deaths and following police orders and other such nonsense.

Sigh...but I just wonder....who decided that some number of fewer cops deaths was justified with some number of innocent civilian shootings? Who decided on the appropriate ratio...3 cops saved for every innocent civilian shot?

Some human lives are just valued less than others. Some in some places the cops yell "Go back inside!!!", and in some places they just shoot without even carrying about the threat someone might actually pose....
 
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red

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thats right. I think alot of cops grew up watching cop shows/movies and playing video games. they don't have the restraint or apparently the training to stop and think before they shoot.
 

The Fruity Hare

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S.C. Joe said:
We see what happens to this officer but would not be surprise if he just has to go get a refeasher course and is back on the streets a year later.

:confused:

The Orange County district attorney's office said it was investigating the shooting to determine if the officer was criminally culpable. Spokeswoman Susan Schroeder said the department has investigated between 12 and 23 police shootings each year for the last five years.

No officers were charged in those shootings.
 

Aardvark154

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The Fruity Hare said:
The Orange County district attorney's office said it was investigating the shooting to determine if the officer was criminally culpable. Spokeswoman Susan Schroeder said the department has investigated between 12 and 23 police shootings each year for the last five years.

No officers were charged in those shootings.
However, most police shootings are justified shootings. From what very little I know this one seems like there may have been a fast finger on the trigger. However, I will await the report. ADA's and District Attorney's Office Investigators take their jobs seriously.
 

S.C. Joe

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Well what are "justified shootings" :confused:

They are not the same as they were in the past. They give the police much more ley way to fire their guns than say in the 70's. Plus their guns are more powerful and can fire faster and more times--the 6 shooter is long gone.

And in the rare times a police officer is charge, most times they are later found not guilty. Its like when they have to charge the cop but then go easy on them in court and they get found not guilty.

So the police today in some city's-not all-have little fear anybody can stop them.

Like by NY City where one cop fire his gun 31 times, even re-loaded it--other cops were firing their guns as well. A un-armed man was killed-a groom at a strip club having his party before his wedding the next day. 50 shots fire and all cops found not guilty.
 

red

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Aardvark154 said:
However, most police shootings are justified shootings. From what very little I know this one seems like there may have been a fast finger on the trigger. However, I will await the report. ADA's and District Attorney's Office Investigators take their jobs seriously.
an innocent man was killed. there is no way to justify that.
 

Aardvark154

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red said:
an innocent man was killed. there is no way to justify that.
And what was it I wrote:
Aardvark154 said:
From what very little I know this one seems like there may have been a fast finger on the trigger. However, I will await the report. ADA's and District Attorney's Office Investigators take their jobs seriously.
 
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