Polish Tourist Tasered in Vancouver
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Anyone else notice him hyper-ventiliating when the doors were open?
This guy was mega stressed, held (without being told why apparently), I have a feeling these fuckheads will be cleared since the inquest is in MAY??? ...as someone above stated.
Absolute bullshit...
This guy was mega stressed, held (without being told why apparently), I have a feeling these fuckheads will be cleared since the inquest is in MAY??? ...as someone above stated.
Absolute bullshit...
Yes, it seemed like he was having a panic/anxiety attack of sorts. This can happen to even the most level headed and calm individuals. It is a strong possibility that 10 hours in 'detention' in a foreign country and no one withwhom to talk to in one's own language would cause this to any one.Cobster said:
Again, it was just a total failure to take the circumstances into account.Cobster said:
Fact is, with almost any adult male from eastern europe, you can pretty much go to the bank with an assumption that most of his risk factors for heaert disease are highly elevated.
Combine that with the fatigue, dehydration and the stress and excitement of this situation, and it should have been a no-brainer to never use the Taser unless the guy somehow started to manhandle the officers.
The takedown would have been the same with or without the Taser, but I'm willing to bet that even the takedown would not have been necessary if the standoff was managed with the proper skill and patience.
Yeah, why should we bother to have boards of inquiry or trials lets just have drumhead justice.S.C. Joe said:
Lets wait for the results of the inquiries.It doesn't look like he was being held in detention to me.
That's one hell of a big and open detention room.
Why didn't he just follow the crowd off the plane and go to immigration?
They look at his passport and get him an interpreter and he gives them his mother's name and number.
It looks like he just wondered around clueless on his own for the 10 hours.
It doesn't look like he was being held or had been directed.
In any case, I agree that the cops totally over-reacted and were negligent of his well being after being zapped.
That's one hell of a big and open detention room.
Why didn't he just follow the crowd off the plane and go to immigration?
They look at his passport and get him an interpreter and he gives them his mother's name and number.
It looks like he just wondered around clueless on his own for the 10 hours.
It doesn't look like he was being held or had been directed.
In any case, I agree that the cops totally over-reacted and were negligent of his well being after being zapped.
I think he was confused and unsure what he should do.
I read that most thought he was waiting for his mother to come by but she could not go in the area he was at. She left, thinking he missed his flight.
You try to go in a strange place and not speak at all, see how that feels...he was scare and confused..
I read that most thought he was waiting for his mother to come by but she could not go in the area he was at. She left, thinking he missed his flight.
You try to go in a strange place and not speak at all, see how that feels...he was scare and confused..
Hard Idle said:
The cops could have handed him a bottle of water, and motioned him to site down. Bet he would have sat down and been happy someone was there to help him.
There is no need for a ban on tasers. The police have perfectly good protocols around when and how to use them. These particular officers broke the rules.
Had they not broken the rules this guy would likely be alive.
There really are situations in which the police need to subdue an aggressive individual, and in those cases using a taser is preferrable to a handgun.
Thing is, this was not (yet) one of those cases. There are a number of things they are REQUIRED to try before they get to considering shooting someone with any weapon.
As the video plainly shows they did not try those things.
So the rules are fine, tasers are fine, it's the officers who were derelict in their duty here, who broke the rules, that are the problem.
Had they not broken the rules this guy would likely be alive.
There really are situations in which the police need to subdue an aggressive individual, and in those cases using a taser is preferrable to a handgun.
Thing is, this was not (yet) one of those cases. There are a number of things they are REQUIRED to try before they get to considering shooting someone with any weapon.
As the video plainly shows they did not try those things.
So the rules are fine, tasers are fine, it's the officers who were derelict in their duty here, who broke the rules, that are the problem.
I bet 99% of people who think that Tasers are fine, have never been "Taser" before.
The police made do without Tasers for a long long time, Tasers can kill people if they are unhealthy, on drugs, maybe just even overly sleepy.
How do we know if people who have been Taser and live, might not have a side effect from it many years later on ? Get a shock that knocks you down, can not be healthy for anybody.
And don't go thinking it won't happen to you. This guy should not have been Taser, you could be next.
The police made do without Tasers for a long long time, Tasers can kill people if they are unhealthy, on drugs, maybe just even overly sleepy.
How do we know if people who have been Taser and live, might not have a side effect from it many years later on ? Get a shock that knocks you down, can not be healthy for anybody.
And don't go thinking it won't happen to you. This guy should not have been Taser, you could be next.
Another one Bites the Dust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/taser.death/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/taser.death/index.html
S.C. Joe: I agree with you. However the rules around tasers that are SUPPOSED to be followed is that they would only ever be used on someone who, if tasers weren't around, would have been shot instead.
In that respect I think they save lives.
In that respect I think they save lives.
Actually, SC Joe, a lot of cops tase themselves as part of training.
However, most cops are body-builders in good shape, or at least, it's unlikely they have any ailments that would be affected by the taser.
The problem with the taser is for the random person in the street, who knows how their particular body will react to the voltage?
However, most cops are body-builders in good shape, or at least, it's unlikely they have any ailments that would be affected by the taser.
The problem with the taser is for the random person in the street, who knows how their particular body will react to the voltage?
Not to be picky but no we are not. You said a taser hit WOULD kill - I stated that it MAY contribute to a death in rare circumstances.shakenbake said:
Twenty-two 'circumstances' in Canada alone in about three years are a bit too much IMHO. There are conflicting reports from the official causes of death in these instances. So, let's agree to disagree, if you think that we are not in general agement, then.Quest4Less said:Not to be picky but no we are not. You said a taser hit WOULD kill - I stated that it MAY contribute to a death in rare circumstances.
By the way, ever hear of death by electrocution?Quest4Less said:Not to be picky but no we are not. You said a taser hit WOULD kill - I stated that it MAY contribute to a death in rare circumstances.
"But Amnesty International, noting that coroners have identified Tasers as a contributory factor in more than 30 deaths, said such a link cannot be ruled out.
"The devices use compressed nitrogen to shoot two probes -- connected to the device by wire -- up to 35 feet away at speeds exceeding 100 mph.
An electrical signal transmitted through the wires contacts the body or clothing, "resulting in an immediate loss of the person's neuromuscular control and the ability to perform coordinated action for the duration of the impulse," according to the company."
Hit the victim in the right spot and you can cause the heart, a muscle that pumps blood through the body, to go into fibrillation, a precursor to death. Don't reject the possibility.
So, we are almost in agreement, IMHO.
ig-88 said:
Also there is diff. types of Tasers, with diff. amounts of power. They also do not get shock more than once.
Still, just like smoking, the side effects might not happen, like a damage heart or brain, for 30 years or so. I don't think all cops are very smart either.
