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Gawker Claims Video Exists of Rob Ford Smoking Crack

oldjones

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I read this article. I'd like to see a report by a real finance guy, not this journalist.…edit…Also, in Ford's first year (if that journalist's figures are accurate), his budget surplus exceeds Miller's 1st three years combined. Miller's last two years have higher annual surpluses but let's not forget the new taxes he introduced, including the much higher land transfer tax.
Of course a big surplus is as much as sign of ineptness as a big deficit if you're trying to balance the budget and reduce costs. It's just that it's on the happy side of the ledger. If we were talking diets, we'd call it extra gravy, or dessert.

But I too would like to see a "…a report by a real finance guy", not just your statements. Miler's new taxes gave Rob the inherited surplus he needed to balance his first budgets. His current surplus still depends on a Miller tax he said he'd repeal when elected. His own people say he can't manage without it, so now his promise is reduced to 'we'll study a 10% reduction'.

Meanwhile since Rob decided subways were 'too hard' for him to think about (although Miller's taxes were part of a thoughtful plan for them) the Province has had to step in to solve Toronto's problem with revenue tools/taxes including—wait for it—possibly a vehicle registration tax. Unlike Rob, thinking people know you can't get something for nothing. But you sure can waste time.

A real finance guy would say the same.
 
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slowandeasy

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Just like his subways that will be financed by the private sector, another ridiculous promise that stands no chance of becoming reality.
Those are typical errors of politicians, being overly positive and then facing reality while in power.
They are understandable.

Blatant lies, not at all.

The star is reporting that Ford's other campaign manager, Richard Ciano, also says he won't return to work for Ford in 2014 unless Ford gets treatment.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/12/nick_kouvalis_tells_mayor_rob_ford_to_get_healthy.html

He's lost most of his team at this point, its him and Doug against the world.
While I agree that his plans for subways was stupid. The stupidity was that he did not have more details about the private financing.

Please read this CAREFULLY.. read it twice if you have to... Was Fords plan any more ridiculous than one of the recent plans for financing public transit that some politicians
tried to release as if it was groundbreaking and innovative... I think they billed it as their "REVENUE GENERATOR PLAN" or something like that.
1. A one per cent increase to the HST
2. A five cents per litre regional fuel and gas tax
3. A 25 cents per day business off-street parking levy
4. A 15 per cent increase to development charges

Essentially, it added up to taxing us some more....

As far as Ciano is concerned:
The article from the Star was just another story from the star to back up their already
weak story about Kouvalis.

The article's title is "Nick Kouvalis tells Rob Ford to get healthy".
But nowhere in the article do they have a quote from Kouvalis telling Ford to "get healthy"
The only quote from Kouvalis is in the following line: "Kouvalis, the hard-nosed pollster and strategist who took over from Ciano as Ford’s campaign manager early in the 2010 race, and then guided Ford’s first year in office as chief of staff, would only say: “I care about the Fords and I will help them in the best way that I know how."

Come on man.. if you accuse Ford of Blatant lies, how do you justify the blatant lies of his critics?????
 

groggy

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While I agree that his plans for subways was stupid. The stupidity was that he did not have more details about the private financing.

Please read this CAREFULLY.. read it twice if you have to... Was Fords plan any more ridiculous than one of the recent plans for financing public transit that some politicians
tried to release as if it was groundbreaking and innovative... I think they billed it as their "REVENUE GENERATOR PLAN" or something like that.
1. A one per cent increase to the HST
2. A five cents per litre regional fuel and gas tax
3. A 25 cents per day business off-street parking levy
4. A 15 per cent increase to development charges

Essentially, it added up to taxing us some more....
What I'd call stupid is a plan to spend billions on building subways that didn't include a realistic plan to pay for it.
You can be opposed to taxes, but if you want to build subways you're going to have to pay for them some way, and taxes are the traditional revenue tools of governments.
What would you call a 'smart plan' to build subways?


As far as Ciano is concerned:
The article from the Star was just another story from the star to back up their already
weak story about Kouvalis.

The article's title is "Nick Kouvalis tells Rob Ford to get healthy".
But nowhere in the article do they have a quote from Kouvalis telling Ford to "get healthy"
The only quote from Kouvalis is in the following line: "Kouvalis, the hard-nosed pollster and strategist who took over from Ciano as Ford’s campaign manager early in the 2010 race, and then guided Ford’s first year in office as chief of staff, would only say: “I care about the Fords and I will help them in the best way that I know how."

Come on man.. if you accuse Ford of Blatant lies, how do you justify the blatant lies of his critics?????
Blatant lies?
The Star says Kouvalis has been saying this to friends publicly even before the crack video scandal. They don't have direct quotes from Kouvalis but have witnesses to those quotes. Note that Kouvalis has never denied these articles, this is the second from the star saying the same thing.

So how can you possibly call this a 'blatant lie'?
 

Rockslinger

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Why the need to define this group in a single word other than the widely accepted geographical name Asian?
Geographically, Asia also covers Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc. It is a vast and diverse continent.

I think that every reasonable and rational person know what Ford's statement meant. Basically he was saying that a certain ethnic group is a shinning example of hard work and success and a worthy model for others to adopt.
 

5hummer

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I think that every reasonable and rational person know what Ford's statement meant. Basically he was saying that a certain ethnic group is a shinning example of hard work and success and a worthy model for others to adopt.
Yeah, except he said it sounding like an idiotic-uneducated-slow-insensitive-ignoramus-moronic-mentally-challenged-racist caveman serving a multicultural metropolis like Toronto .... :thumb:
 

red

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Yeah, except he said it sounding like an idiotic-uneducated-slow-insensitive-ignoramus-moronic-mentally-challenged-racist caveman serving a multicultural metropolis like Toronto .... :thumb:
and yet he was elected mayor after making said remarks
 

Nate1

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what no video yet?
Not yet, have to make do with the mass resignations/firings from the people closest to him for now. You know the ones who should be best positioned to judge if he is lying about this too.
 

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Geographically, Asia also covers Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc. It is a vast and diverse continent.

I think that every reasonable and rational person know what Ford's statement meant. Basically he was saying that a certain ethnic group is a shinning example of hard work and success and a worthy model for others to adopt.
So once again i'll suggest saying East Asian. Is that too confusing?

We know what he meant by his statement. It's just a dumb thing to say.

Whether he said Asian or Oriental isn't even the biggest issue anyway. Why is he making a general statement about a group of people that only share what he deems a similar look but in many ways vastly different cultures?

Just because you consider it complimentary doesn't make it acceptable.
 

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Do you think if Ford had said Asian his statement would have created confusion and had Vietnamese, Filipinos, and Chinese people demanding clarification?
I will then agree with the educated opponents that "Asians work like dogs and they are slowly taking over" is a very "lazy, uneducated & ignorant " statement.

Poor us the listeners might be confused his "asians" with the "asians" from Christmas Islands and Cocos Islands.
 
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