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Stanford University Doctor: The Data is in - stop the panic and end the isolation

Smallcock

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The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.

Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.
Listen to science folks. Listen to what the data is telling you.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation
 

bebe

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Too bad our PM, who likes to colour his hair, and the Premiere, who's brother liked to smoke crack, are slow on the uptake.
 

bebe

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canada-man, bebe, myself and a few others have been shouting the same conclusions from the roof top. It didnt take a university whatever to tell us that.
Most like to blindly follow the crowd instead of thinking for themselves.

Will be funny to watch the Premiere this week talk about reopening the economy when just a few days earlier he called the protesters a bunch of yahoos. I did notice most of them wore masks, and kept their distance from one another.

Wearing a mask in public seems like a small price to pay to send millions of Canadians back to work while protecting those who are most vulnerable. Have a feeling the Canadian Government lacks a sufficient supply of masks for the general public to use...very poor planing.
 

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Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.
Fact 6: Many deaths due to the flu and car accidents have been avoided due to the lockdown.

Fact 7: C-19 may keep coming back each year like the flu:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...stay-and-likely-seasonal-say-china-scientists

Fact 8: Herd immunity may not be achievable:
https://www.wellandgood.com/good-advice/what-is-herd-immunity/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/herd-immunity-should-not-be-supported-tam-says-1.5545332

Fact 9: If the world went back to normal today, hospitals could soon be overwhelmed.

Without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths. Why? Because many hospitals would have been overwhelmed & they wouldn't have been able to handle all the non COVID-19 emergency cases in addition to all the COVID-19 emergency cases. Then doctors, as in Italy, would have had to choose between who lives & who dies. Many thousands more would have died.

Without the shutdown many more would have become sick at the same time. That would have led to many businesses shutting down anyway. And many of their customers would have stayed at home, anyway, leading to even more business closures.
 
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While the death rate is low, many survivors have long recoveries; some interviewed said the worst experience of their lives. More recently, younger 30-year-olds have bad strokes and heart attacks due to clotting with no underlying conditions just out of the blue. One young athlete had his leg amputated because of a clot. The COVID-19 is like no other virus we have seen since the 1918 flu thing. It is so easy to transmit and for the unlucky attacks, many body parts - not just the lungs. Why is still a mystery.
 

jcpro

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Pretty much the same experience I had when hit by common flu.
Yeah, especially my last one in December. Three fucking weeks of coughing, hacking and wheezing.
 

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Fact 6: Many deaths due to the flu and car accidents have been avoided due to the lockdown.

Fact 7: C-19 may keep coming back each year like the flu:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...stay-and-likely-seasonal-say-china-scientists

Fact 8: Herd immunity may not be achievable:
https://www.wellandgood.com/good-looks/makeup-with-skin-care-benefits/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/herd-immunity-should-not-be-supported-tam-says-1.5545332

Fact 9: If the world went back to normal today, hospitals could soon be overwhelmed.

Without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths. Why? Because many hospitals would have been overwhelmed & they wouldn't have been able to handle all the non COVID-19 emergency cases in addition to all the COVID-19 emergency cases. Then doctors, as in Italy, would have had to choose between who lives & who dies. Many thousands more would have died.

Without the shutdown many more would have become sick at the same time. That would have led to many businesses shutting down anyway. And many of their customers would have stayed at home, anyway, leading to even more business closures.
Didn't realize Dr Fraudci was on the board. Herd immunity all the way!
 

eyenomad2

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While the death rate is low, ... More recently, younger 30-year-olds have bad strokes and heart attacks due to clotting with no underlying conditions just out of the blue. One young athlete had his leg amputated because of a clot. ... Why is still a mystery.
The question you need to ask is are these death incidences significantly higher than last year or the year before. Last year no one cared if a seemingly healthy sub-30 year-old died of a stroke or heart attack. Probably because we were all inundated with the lasted transgendered rights' violation. Now our priorities have changed. We actually care about old people. The same old people that were asleep at the wheel while new laws were enacted that slowly turned this country shit.
 

lenny2

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Didn't realize Dr Fraudci was on the board. Herd immunity all the way!

And what are you suggesting? Open everything immediately, & be like Sweden tomorrow? How's that method working out for them? Way more deaths than their neighbors Denmark + Norway who have a combined population equal to Sweden.
 

eyenomad2

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And what are you suggesting? Open everything immediately, & be like Sweden tomorrow? How's that method working out for them? Way more deaths than their neighbors Denmark + Norway who have a combined population equal to Sweden.
Just like last year and year before, people die all the time. Grow a pair and get over it.
 
We should be following more the New Zealand model. The extreme lockdown virtually stopped the virus cold.

An interesting article in Scientific America by real doctors points out the number of flu deaths is estimated using questionable assumptions. It may be six times less than what has been reported. COVID-19 is far more deadly than the flu, as the article argues.

Comparing COVID-19 Deaths to Flu Deaths Is like Comparing Apples to Oranges
https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...u-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

Also COVID-19 No Worse Than the Flu? Hardly - Points out in NY City COVID-19 deaths have been 21 times that of flue.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86176
 
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