FBI probe into Trump campaign's ties to Russia finds mistakes, no political bias

Some of you guys don't realize IGs don't really prosecute. He can couch his findings anyway he wants, but if Durham gets a conviction all your posts saying the FBI and intelligence community abuses were overstated are premature.

I'm not sure how Frank bounces around the political threads so spryly after repeating the "dossier" hasn't been disproven over and over again. Sadly, I believe Knuckle Ball recently picked up on a similar theme.

Gooseifur said:

We know what Trump is and what to expect from him. I didn't expect the FBI to be as corrupt as it is.

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Yes, we know that Trump is a corrupt, lying moron and the DOJ and FBI not only should have been investigating him they shouldn't have kneecapped the Mueller investigation by stating you can't indict a corrupt moron just because he's president.

The IG found no corruption at the FBI, only a handful of errors.
They also found texts from pro-Trump agents, yet there has been no backlash stating they let him off easy because of them, has there?

Gooseifur said:

Most of Trump's claims have been debunked, it's what he does to distract from the truth.

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All of Trump's claims were debunked.
But then Trump went and lied about the report as well, refusing to admit it debunked everything he claimed.

Frankfooter said:

Yes, we know that Trump is a corrupt, lying moron and the DOJ and FBI not only should have been investigating him they shouldn't have kneecapped the Mueller investigation by stating you can't indict a corrupt moron just because he's president.

The IG found no corruption at the FBI, only a handful of errors.
They also found texts from pro-Trump agents, yet there has been no backlash stating they let him off easy because of them, has there?

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Who let him off easy? He's been under an investigation since he became president, maybe even before. I like the way you count. You consider 17 a handful. It wasn't only errors it was omissions. What do you call withholding exculpatory information to fool judges so you can get a warrant? That's corruption no matter how you slice it.

shack said:

It might be a little unreasonable in an investigation that took a year and a half and involved hundreds of witnesses that there would be no errors. Evidently the Inspector General is holding them responsible and automatically assuming that they will do nothing is not giving them a chance.

Again, the investigation was not started as a political witch hunt which debunks another trump conspiracy theory. That is the most important takeaway. The investigation was conceived legitimately.

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Agreed. I think there are some legitimate questions around the FBI’s policies and procedures around obtaining FISA warrants. I don’t think this is unique to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation; rather, I suspect this happens all the time and that the only reason we’re hearing about it in this instance is because of the amount of scrutiny this investigation is receiving because it has become so highly politicized.

I bet that if you went through the investigation of how the FBI tracked down the Boston Marathon bomber or the Unabomber or any other high profile case you could undoubtedly find things to critique...but nobody does because we all want people like that to be caught so we don’t really care how it’s done.

Another example would be the Jeffrey Epstein suicide. I don’t believe he was murdered or that there was a conspiracy to take him out. I think US prison conditions are appalling and prisoners kill themselves all the time and nobody really cares; in fact, we are glad to be rid of them (especially sex offenders). Everybody freaks out when Jeffrey Epstein does it but frankly it’s a common occurrence in the US penal system (kinda like Sandra Bland); not some bizzarro conspiracy theory.

Knuckle Ball said:

Agreed. I think there are some legitimate questions around the FBI’s policies and procedures around obtaining FISA warrants. I don’t think this is unique to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation; rather, I suspect this happens all the time and that the only reason we’re hearing about it in this instance is because of the amount of scrutiny this investigation is receiving because it has become so highly politicized.

I bet that if you went through the investigation of how the FBI tracked down the Boston Marathon bomber or the Unabomber or any other high profile case you could undoubtedly find things to critique...but nobody does because we all want people like that to be caught so we don’t really care how it’s done.

Another example would be the Jeffrey Epstein suicide. I don’t believe he was murdered or that there was a conspiracy to take him out. I think US prison conditions are appalling and prisoners kill themselves all the time and nobody really cares; in fact, we are glad to be rid of them (especially sex offenders). Everybody freaks out when Jeffrey Epstein does it but frankly it’s a common occurrence in the US penal system (kinda like Sandra Bland); not some bizzarro conspiracy theory.

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Wow KB, that was a mouthful.

Gooseifur said:

Who let him off easy? He's been under an investigation since he became president, maybe even before. I like the way you count. You consider 17 a handful. It wasn't only errors it was omissions. What do you call withholding exculpatory information to fool judges so you can get a warrant? That's corruption no matter how you slice it.

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He should be under investigation.
He committed fraud at Trump U
He committed fraud with his inaugural committee
With his taxes and insurance
With Trump Foundation, just ordered to pay $2 million.

The man is a conman who will be charged with multiple crimes as soon as he's out of office.

Frankfooter said:

He should be under investigation.
He committed fraud at Trump U
He committed fraud with his inaugural committee
With his taxes and insurance
With Trump Foundation, just ordered to pay $2 million.

The man is a conman who will be charged with multiple crimes as soon as he's out of office.

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What would you call FBI agents changing documents or withholding exculpatory evidence in order to fool judges into signing warrants?

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What would you call FBI agents changing documents or withholding exculpatory evidence in order to fool judges into signing warrants?

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There was no evidence of corruption or bias, whether they had the best intel to base some warrants on is a good question.
But watching Carter and Papadopolous were no brainers.

Frankfooter said:

There was no evidence of corruption or bias, whether they had the best intel to base some warrants on is a good question.
But watching Carter and Papadopolous were no brainers.

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I don't have an issue with them being watched if it's justified. It turns out Page didn't do anything wrong and they knew early on he was innocent yet they continued to lie to judges to keep getting warrants to watch him. I have an issue when they lie to judges to get warrants to spy on their own citizens. That should scare everyone.

Here is what happened.

The powers that be didn't care how sloppy and unconstitutional the FISA process was when they were spying in terrorists and foreigners.

But once it was turned on a US citizen it came to light just how unfair, biased, and illegal the whole thing is.

But some still want to defend it just because the end justifies the means.

Right up to the point it's one of their own.

Gooseifur said:

What would you call FBI agents changing documents or withholding exculpatory evidence in order to fool judges into signing warrants?

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Reindeer games

Butler1000 said:

Here is what happened.

The powers that be didn't care how sloppy and unconstitutional the FISA process was when they were spying in terrorists and foreigners.

But once it was turned on a US citizen it came to light just how unfair, biased, and illegal the whole thing is.

But some still want to defend it just because the end justifies the means.

Right up to the point it's one of their own.

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Here's what happened.
The tighty righties love when immigrants are monitored by the FBI but are shocked when someone who is known to be corrupt is investigated for obvious, mob like actions.
They just don't want the FBI to look at rich white people.