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    Hints to figure out if a girl has been coerced into being a sex worker

    So I've reflected upon my past year in this hobby, and I've recently came to truly realize that there are many pimps around. The results of a girl being coerced into being a sex worker (aka being pimped) are numerous, but for us as customers on the receiving end, it often translates into a general bad attitude from the SP towards us, a mismatch between the services promised by text (often by the pimp) and what the girl truly feels comfortable with during the session and some other potentially dangerous situation (a pimp once came out of the closet on me before the session started).

    I'd like to start a discussion into how do we figure out (or get hints) that a girl is being pimped.

    For me, here are my cues, which are sadly far from being 100% conclusive :

    1) Good old ''No black men'' listed on the adds (unless it says no black men under XX age)

    2) Very robotic tone during texting, no emoji, yes/no answer (either it's the pimp handling it, or the girl just isn't into it. Either way, better pass)

    3) As stated in the introductory statement, mismatch between services offered via text and what she actually says she will do when asked upfront upon meeting her

    4) Language mismatch (ex : I once texted a girl to know about her, she'd respond in French which I speak. Upon meeting her, she doesn't speak a single word in French. Pretty big hint that there was a handler/pimp behind)

    5) Upon getting there, the girl makes you wait and you see some activity in the building (that one time a pimp got out of the closet on me, I actually saw him enter the building as I was waiting for her to give me the go ahead. I should've known better aha)

    6) Private house/condo vs. hotel : Imo, girls hosting in hotel are less likely to be pimped, as the pimp would probably prefer to run his business in his own place as to have better control over the environment.

    7) Fake picture : Even though a fake pic is a hard pass for me, I feel like pimps are even more likely to use fake pic as their only end goal is to keep customers lined up one behind another. Thus, using pic of a much cuter girl is a valid strategy for them. For girl, it could be as well, but I can hardly imagine a girl willingly to pass herself as completely someone else. She might photoshop her pics sure, but going straight up for another girl seems like big step which I assume only a small minority of the non-coerced girls do. For the pimped girls, my bet is that this percentage encompass a much larger share of their respective pool.

    That's pretty much it for me. Overall, I rely on my gut feeling. Sometimes sadly, I only realize after the fact that I probably fed some guy behind that girl, and that she didn't enjoy a single bit of our encounter because she didn't get to choose in the first place to be a SW and to have sex with me.

    Let me know what you think.

    Cheers !

    Edit : contributions by others :

    8) Minimal information in the ad. 4 or 5 words in the entire thing
    9) Mismatch in name on the ad, and name in the profile
    10) please text me 5 mins before arriving, I want to make sure I'm ready for you!?!??!????!!!
    11) sorry you were texting with my girlfriend, she does the bookings for me (see point 3)
    12) asians who don't speak speak a word in English, yet she texted you in English (see point 4)
    Last edited by RockNRollMachin; 10-28-2019 at 01:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockNRollMachin View Post
    So I've reflected upon my past year in this hobby, and I've recently came to truly realize that there are many pimps around. The results of a girl being coerced into being a sex worker (aka being pimped) are numerous, but for us as customers on the receiving end, it often translates into a general bad attitude from the SP towards us, a mismatch between the services promised by text (often by the pimp) and what the girl truly feels comfortable with during the session and some other potentially dangerous situation (a pimp once came out of the closet on me before the session started).

    I'd like to start a discussion into how do we figure out (or get hints) that a girl is being pimped.

    For me, here are my cues, which are sadly far from being 100% conclusive :

    - Good old ''No black men'' listed on the adds (unless it says no black men under XX age)

    - Very robotic tone during texting, no emoji, yes/no answer (either it's the pimp handling it, or the girl just isn't into it. Either way, better pass)

    - As stated in the introductory statement, mismatch between services offered via text and what she actually says she will do when asked upfront upon meeting her

    - Language mismatch (ex : I once texted a girl to know about her, she'd respond in French which I speak. Upon meeting her, she doesn't speak a single word in French. Pretty big hint that there was a handler/pimp behind)

    - Upon getting there, the girl makes you wait and you see some activity in the building (that one time a pimp got out of the closet on me, I actually saw him enter the building as I was waiting for her to give me the go ahead. I should've known better aha)

    - Private house/condo vs. hotel : Imo, girls hosting in hotel are less likely to be pimped, as the pimp would probably prefer to run his business in his own place as to have better control over the environment.

    - Fake picture : Even though a fake pic is a hard pass for me, I feel like pimps are even more likely to use fake pic as their only end goal is to keep customers lined up one behind another. Thus, using pic of a much cuter girl is a valid strategy for them. For girl, it could be as well, but I can hardly imagine a girl willingly to pass herself as completely someone else. She might photoshop her pics sure, but going straight up for another girl seems like big step which I assume only a small minority of the non-coerced girls do. For the pimped girls, my bet is that this percentage encompass a much larger share of their respective pool.

    That's pretty much it for me. Overall, I rely on my gut feeling. Sometimes sadly, I only realize after the fact that I probably fed some guy behind that girl, and that she didn't enjoy a single bit of our encounter because she didn't get to choose in the first place to be a SW and to have sex with me.

    Let me know what you think.

    Cheers !
    I agree with everything stated except the hotel/condo. Some girls just prefer condos because of the comfort and convenience of having a kitchen and being able to do laundry etc imo.

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    I’m terrible at predicting these things but I’ll add:
    Minimal information in the ad. 4 or 5 words in the entire thing
    Mismatch in name on the ad, and name in the profile

    These can be coincidental or mistakes in creating the ad but I stay clear anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesbot View Post
    I’m terrible at predicting these things but I’ll add:
    Minimal information in the ad. 4 or 5 words in the entire thing
    Mismatch in name on the ad, and name in the profile

    These can be coincidental or mistakes in creating the ad but I stay clear anyway.
    Very good points, thanks !

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbiz View Post
    Good thread rock. I had one similar in my Pvt domain. I'll edit this with my contribution when I get a chance.

    - please text me 5 mins before arriving, I want to make sure I'm ready for you!?!??!????!!!

    - sorry you were texting with my girlfriend, she does the bookings for me

    - more to come

    All the good points here will end up in the guidance: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...t?usp=drivesdk
    Cheers to that Biz. I feel like this is a very important discussion to have as to :

    1. Have better experiences as paying customers.
    2. Minimize the harm we do while doing this hobby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horny_gentleman View Post
    I agree with everything stated except the hotel/condo. Some girls just prefer condos because of the comfort and convenience of having a kitchen and being able to do laundry etc imo.
    True that. But I feel like if you take say a sample of 100 girls hosting in a hotel and a sample of 100 girls hosting in a private location, there would be a bigger share of girls pimped out in the private location due to the logic stated in OP.

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    The biggest red flag is Asians who do not speak English. I don't even see Asian providers because of this.

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    And when you do find out what do you do? Call the police?

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    I will start by acknowledging that I am not as experienced in this hobby as many, but I have to respectfully disagree with a lot of the conclusions that you are drawing here, RockNRollMachin.

    Your logic for many of these red flags seems to be:
    There's a girl who has someone else involved
    THEREFORE that someone else must be a pimp
    THEREFORE she is being forced against her will.

    Those are some pretty massive logical leaps, and while there may be cases where they are true, I have personally experienced a couple of cases where I am 99% confident that they weren't.

    For example, I visited one lady downtown some months ago - her name escapes me, but she was not the girl in the ad pictures, and was not down for the DATY that the person I had texted with said she was. I was irritated enough about it that I wrote a review on here, if you want more details, but the key takeaway is that she told me that she used a "booker" because that allowed her to make more money - the booker could line up the next client while she was busy. From conversation, I got the pretty clear impression that her booker was a)female, b) nowhere nearby, and c) someone the girl *wanted* to have chatting with potential clients.

    I also saw another girl, "Sarah", last weekend. Basically same story, except in this case, Sarah felt that her half hour rate didn't even include sex - see my last review. I managed, with a certain amount of self restraint, to remain polite - but I did communicate pretty clearly that the booker sent a very different message. She felt that it was wonderful that the booker - again female - was helping her to make more money, because she wanted to buy a house, not just have all her income go to pay for hotels. I told her that she was increasing her income by lying to her clients, and that I thought that was pretty shitty.

    As I understand it, a pimp is traditionally there to deal with guys who get violent in one form or another, like the bouncers at a bar. We guys are generally bigger and stronger than women, after all, and if a guy decided to take advantage of his greater strength - to just force himself on a girl without paying, for example, or rough her up, or heaven knows what, she might be glad to have a big guy on her side. Perhaps I'm naieve, but I don't think this is as big a problem in humdrum polite Ottawa as in other places, which is why I don't think pimps are particularly common here. Which isn't to say that girls never have a bad date who causes them problems, I'm sure they all have a few horror stories. But the point is, in some cases, a girl might actually seek out a pimp to serve as her protector. Meaning that the presence of a pimp also does not automatically imply coersion.

    Bottom line, many of your signs indicate that a girl has *someone* else working with her. Maybe it's a coercive pimp, and she's a victim, but my experience suggests that it's more likely a booker she has hired, and WE are going to be the victim. So be careful about jumping to those conclusions.

    -CheckBit

    PS: I should clarify that if a girl had a booker who just fielded her calls but gave HONEST information, I would be absolutely fine with that. Many professionals have receptionists, after all, and the quick response time would actually be a bonus. The shitty part is that the bookers I have run across seem determined to tell any lie needed to get you in the door. And I believe they are also the ones posting the ads with the fake pictures. Stop fucking lying to us, and I'd be happy to have you as part of the industry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheckBit View Post
    I will start by acknowledging that I am not as experienced in this hobby as many, but I have to respectfully disagree with a lot of the conclusions that you are drawing here, RockNRollMachin.

    Your logic for many of these red flags seems to be:
    There's a girl who has someone else involved
    THEREFORE that someone else must be a pimp
    THEREFORE she is being forced against her will.

    Those are some pretty massive logical leaps, and while there may be cases where they are true, I have personally experienced a couple of cases where I am 99% confident that they weren't.

    For example, I visited one lady downtown some months ago - her name escapes me, but she was not the girl in the ad pictures, and was not down for the DATY that the person I had texted with said she was. I was irritated enough about it that I wrote a review on here, if you want more details, but the key takeaway is that she told me that she used a "booker" because that allowed her to make more money - the booker could line up the next client while she was busy. From conversation, I got the pretty clear impression that her booker was a)female, b) nowhere nearby, and c) someone the girl *wanted* to have chatting with potential clients.

    I also saw another girl, "Sarah", last weekend. Basically same story, except in this case, Sarah felt that her half hour rate didn't even include sex - see my last review. I managed, with a certain amount of self restraint, to remain polite - but I did communicate pretty clearly that the booker sent a very different message. She felt that it was wonderful that the booker - again female - was helping her to make more money, because she wanted to buy a house, not just have all her income go to pay for hotels. I told her that she was increasing her income by lying to her clients, and that I thought that was pretty shitty.

    As I understand it, a pimp is traditionally there to deal with guys who get violent in one form or another, like the bouncers at a bar. We guys are generally bigger and stronger than women, after all, and if a guy decided to take advantage of his greater strength - to just force himself on a girl without paying, for example, or rough her up, or heaven knows what, she might be glad to have a big guy on her side. Perhaps I'm naieve, but I don't think this is as big a problem in humdrum polite Ottawa as in other places, which is why I don't think pimps are particularly common here. Which isn't to say that girls never have a bad date who causes them problems, I'm sure they all have a few horror stories. But the point is, in some cases, a girl might actually seek out a pimp to serve as her protector. Meaning that the presence of a pimp also does not automatically imply coersion.

    Bottom line, many of your signs indicate that a girl has *someone* else working with her. Maybe it's a coercive pimp, and she's a victim, but my experience suggests that it's more likely a booker she has hired, and WE are going to be the victim. So be careful about jumping to those conclusions.

    -CheckBit

    PS: I should clarify that if a girl had a booker who just fielded her calls but gave HONEST information, I would be absolutely fine with that. Many professionals have receptionists, after all, and the quick response time would actually be a bonus. The shitty part is that the bookers I have run across seem determined to tell any lie needed to get you in the door. And I believe they are also the ones posting the ads with the fake pictures. Stop fucking lying to us, and I'd be happy to have you as part of the industry...
    Thanks for the clarification. Honestly, as stated in my OP, the hints are far from being 100% conclusive. If anything, many of them actually point more towards the broader idea of having a handler behind the scene, be it a genuine one or a pimp is another story.

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    Number one I've found the opposite : they don't want to get pimped.

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    1) Most likely, I never understood why else someone would say no _________ race.

    2) nope, sometimes we are busy or in a bad mood. I get about 40-200 different people texting me any day i work, 80% time wasters...

    3) VERY ACCURATE

    4) yes

    5) not always

    6) SUPER WRONG, i have almost always worked from a private residence. I have worked for two certain "agencies" in the past as an escort. BOTH run my black men that posted my ads and said no black men, and did my texting. one used a hotel only bc then we were in the room next to him (worked 1 night before I left that agency once I knew what was going on)


    7) I say fuck yes, also she should have a twitter its 2019 almost 2020 girls step your pussies up and prove you are real.






    I worked for Two of the top escorting agencies when I first started (2014-2015)

    One was run by a Black Man who did ALL MY TEXTING, USED FAKE PHOTOS, and agreed to things I didnt accept.
    I had a horrible session which ended with me standing my grown and leaving that place, he is still out there running girls TODAY.


    If the girl does not have an ACTIVE SOCIAL MEDIA, WEBSITE, etc DO NOT RISK IT IF NO ONE ELSE HAS.


    There are so many horror stories on here about being jumped etc...

    Its easy to build a simple website and have a twitter.... if she cant put in a little effort why bother seeing her?


    IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitten_Kinkie View Post
    1) Most likely, I never understood why else someone would say no _________ race.

    2) nope, sometimes we are busy or in a bad mood. I get about 40-200 different people texting me any day i work, 80% time wasters...

    3) VERY ACCURATE

    4) yes

    5) not always

    6) SUPER WRONG, i have almost always worked from a private residence. I have worked for two certain "agencies" in the past as an escort. BOTH run my black men that posted my ads and said no black men, and did my texting. one used a hotel only bc then we were in the room next to him (worked 1 night before I left that agency once I knew what was going on)


    7) I say fuck yes, also she should have a twitter its 2019 almost 2020 girls step your pussies up and prove you are real.






    I worked for Two of the top escorting agencies when I first started (2014-2015)

    One was run by a Black Man who did ALL MY TEXTING, USED FAKE PHOTOS, and agreed to things I didnt accept.
    I had a horrible session which ended with me standing my grown and leaving that place, he is still out there running girls TODAY.


    If the girl does not have an ACTIVE SOCIAL MEDIA, WEBSITE, etc DO NOT RISK IT IF NO ONE ELSE HAS.


    There are so many horror stories on here about being jumped etc...

    Its easy to build a simple website and have a twitter.... if she cant put in a little effort why bother seeing her?


    IMO
    Thanks for your insight, coming from the other side mrs. Kitten.

    As for 2), if in a bad mood, probably better still for the customer to avoid having a subpar experience. I feel for you about the time waster thing, I can hardly imagine how hard it is for you girls to find that needle in the haystack, given the high volume you girls have to go through to get your bookings sorted out. Props to you for going through that and keeping a big smile on your face when you get to meet with your actual customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitten_Kinkie
    1) Most likely, I never understood why else someone would say no _________ race

    Hi have talked to many black escorts about this and they told me stories of friends of their cousins showing up at their door or even uncles...so I think that this is a means of damage control.

    A couple others told me that “they just don’t listen” when they are told that certain things are off limits.

    And lately, several have told me that they often are asked for BBFS. (Not just black men). This is hard to understand. A woman willing to accept this would have to be desperate, and a man looking for this would have to be...I don’t know. Ignorant?

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    I feel the COMPLETE opposite, I love all my clients and find my black gents are some of the nicest....


    I have always seen everyone as assholes come in all shapes and sizes lol

    I have had bad experiences with white men 100x more than any other race.

    As a white woman I show my face, this means if someone knows me and they book me thats on them...



    I understand i guess where they might be coming from but i do not agree at all!
    I have had clients of ever race, gender, background, social status be; ignorant, not listen, ask for something I do not offer, and even try to convince me I used to offer something so they want it again now (With me never offering set service)


    It would be the same as me saying "no white guys" because im worried I might be related to someone...


    It makes 0 sense in my opinion....

    I SEE EVERYONE! KITTEN HAS LOTS OF LOVE TO GIVE!

    You can book me now! I do not care who you are, what you look like, how much money you make, where you are from, or who you love.
    You are nice to me then ill see you, if you are a dick ill block you <3

    plain and simple xoxo
    ~Kitten Kinkie~

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    So I know we like to break everything down (pimps, bait and switch etc.) and we like to analyze every little thing but over the 6 plus years I've been doing this I've learned it's quite simple to figure out who is pimped. It starts with leolist (formally backpage). 60-70 % of the ads involve pimps.

    1) bait and switch - pimps
    2) from out of town - pimps
    3) somewhat regulars to the city but no social media presence/web site - pimps

    There is a well known (or several) network of human trafficking that work the Windsor to Quebec City corridor with all stops in between. They stay at hotels, bnbs. There here for a few days and gone.

    Unless they are well known, reviewed and/or have a social media presence chances are they are pimped up.

    Now I know there are some exceptions and im not including well established out of towners in this. Some bait and switch are just devious SPs.

    I've made several mistakes along the way and I've learned to be very skeptical. I would even say good reviews are no indication. Pimped ladies can be real and guys dont seem to care.

    Also when there is a discrepancy between services promised and services provided, just because someone tells you that it's another woman booking it doesnt mean there isnt a pimp involved. It's most likely a part of the network. They are told to say yes to almost anything to get us in the door.

    Anyway that's my 2 cents
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    What do you think about "the verification process"?
    I saw a documentary about this and according to them, it is a scam. Of course the verification is free for the first month. After that month, your credit card will be charged a lot of money (don't remember how much...) and the problem is that is it very hard to remove all the link that will be related into your credit card. You've probably received a message like the following, but if you did... good luck!

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    Please verify from :- http://meetgirlsverify.com/Katherine_Rose/
    see my full profile and call me. The verification process is very safe, secure & completely free.
    If you want me just do it and call me as soon as you can baby. Im waiting for you.
    Thanks for your time

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