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TekSavvy Protests Push for Pirate Site Blocking in Court

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I hope this is not the end of streaming, downloading etc etc

Through the Federal Court, Bell, Rogers, and Groupe TVA are hoping to obtain the first Canadian pirate site blocking order. The companies believe that website blocking is an effective way to deal with pirate sites but Internet provider TekSavvy sees things differently. The ISP describes the proposed measures as ineffective and inappropriate.

Pirate site blockades are gradually spreading across the globe. Thus far, Canada hasn’t joined the movement but that’s something Bell, Rogers, and Groupe TVA hope to change.
In June, the three companies filed a lawsuit against the operators of a ‘pirate’ IPTV service operating from the domain names GoldTV.ca and GoldTV.biz. The companies argued that the service provides access to their TV content without licenses or authorization.
Among other things, the rightsholders requested an interim injunction to stop the operators, who remain unidentified, from continuing to offer the allegedly-infringing IPTV service. This was granted last month, but despite the order, some of the infrastructures remained available.

This resulted in a new request from the media giants, which could potentially lead to the first-ever pirate site blocking order in Canada. Specifically, the companies are calling for an interlocutory injunction order that would require several Canadian ISPs to block GoldTV domain names and IP-addresses.
The request was discussed in Federal Court last Thursday and Friday. Since Rogers and Bell are also ISPs, the companies are also listed as respondents. Obviously, they didn’t object to their own demands. Similarly, there are no objections from Shaw, Eastlink, Fido, SaskTel, Telus, and Videotron either.
With input from some of the Internet providers, the rightsholders drafted a blocking order that they hope to have approved by the Federal Court. It lists several domain names and IP-addresses of the pirate IPTV service and allows for more to be added.

The blocking technology that’s described in the order is fairly straightforward. Domain names would have to be targeted through DNS blocking or re-routing, and non-shared IP-addresses would have to be blocked or re-routed as well. All ISPs would be permitted to establish their preferred methods, as long as they are effective.

Thus far there hasn’t been much opposition from ISPs. The only company that substantially objects to the proposed site-blocking scheme is TekSavvy.
In written comments to the Court, the ISP points out that the request comes at a curious time as Canadian lawmakers are reviewing the appropriateness of such measures, as part of the Broadcasting and Telecommunications Legislative Review. Issuing a precedential injunction before this review is complete would be inappropriate, TekSavvy argues.

Aside from leap-frogging the ongoing legislative process, the ISP also points out that the site-blocking measures violate net neutrality.
“The plaintiffs seek this Court’s assistance to implement a draconian remedy that runs directly counter to the legislatively established principle of net neutrality,” TekSavvy notes in its written comments.
The ISP doesn’t believe that the blocking measures will be very effective either. There are plenty of workarounds available, for example. The company further notes that it’s unclear whether GoldTV causes any harm and adds that the rightsholders have plenty of other options to go after the service.

For example, they could target the sites through less invasive measures. By contacting its payment provider or hosting company, for example, or going after the Canadian domain name registry.
“[The plaintiffs] ask this Court to deputize TekSavvy and other ISPs to protect the plaintiffs’ profits against some hypothetical (and unknowable) erosion from GoldTV’s services, yet they have not taken some of the most basic self-help steps open to them,” TekSavvy notes.

Overall, the ISP sees website blocking as a draconian measure. While it seems fairly small and directed at a small service that’s no longer widely available, Teksavvy fears that granting the order will open the floodgates to much broader blocking requests.
“If the plaintiffs were successful in obtaining a site-blocking order in this case, there is no question that they would use it as a precedent to obtain other site-blocking orders, whether in respect of copyright infringement or otherwise.”
“TekSavvy could be faced with hundreds and even thousands of websites to block and monitor, exponentially increasing the costs of operating and maintaining a site-blocking system and overwhelming TekSavvy’s capacity,” the company adds.

As such, Teksavvy asks the Federal Court to dismiss the motion. It’s the only third-party company that has done so. Fellow ISP Distributel also objected to the proposed language in the motion, but its complaint only deals with how ISPs are compensated for their efforts.
The Wire Report notes that the Federal Court gave all parties until Wednesday to come to an agreement on the language of the proposed order. It’s clear, however, that TekSavvy is not coming aboard.

After the hearings, the Federal Court will eventually have to decide whether to grant the blocking order or not. That’s expected to take a few more weeks.

https://torrentfreak.com/teksavvy-protests-push-for-pirate-site-blocking-in-court-190916/
 

SchlongConery

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Somebody might want to tell Bell, Rogers et al about VPN's so they can stop wasting their, and the Court's time.

I still pay for TV but the way Bell sneakily jacks up rates and fucks with my bill without notice has me researching the Koodi/VPN option so I can cancel my TV service.
 

Zaibetter

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Somebody might want to tell Bell, Rogers et al about VPN's so they can stop wasting their, and the Court's time.

I still pay for TV but the way Bell sneakily jacks up rates and fucks with my bill without notice has me researching the Koodi/VPN option so I can cancel my TV service.
I'm not sure, but I think that once the provider filters the site you can't get into it even with a VPN. This is how some countries block content.
 

Grimnul

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This whole thing is just silly. People need to get it into their skulls that you can’t stop piracy. It will never happen. I remember them shutting down Napster back in the day and celebrating like it was mission accomplished. At worst, they’ll make it slightly more inconvenient for people for a little bit until someone comes up with a workaround (and probably makes a lot of money in the process). They have a flooding basement and they’re trying to bail it out with a shovel. It’s never gonna happen. Take the hit and move on.
 

kkelso

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This whole thing is just silly. People need to get it into their skulls that you can’t stop piracy. It will never happen. I remember them shutting down Napster back in the day and celebrating like it was mission accomplished. At worst, they’ll make it slightly more inconvenient for people for a little bit until someone comes up with a workaround (and probably makes a lot of money in the process). They have a flooding basement and they’re trying to bail it out with a shovel. It’s never gonna happen. Take the hit and move on.
I agree with you in general, but stealing is wrong and they should fight it on principle.

Shutting down Napster was huge at the time, because it took music piracy out of the reach of tech-stupid people. I remember the next easiest thing back then was Limewire, and most lay people couldn't make the jump.

The trick, that several vendors including Apple showed with music, is to make the legal process easy enough to improve the value proposition to the point where you are willing pay. I can pirate any movie I want, but if it's in an easy-to-access place for $4 why waste my 20 minutes?

There will always be assholes and losers who get a tiny little thrill from ripping off artists, and I would agree that none of this stops them.

KK
 

Grimnul

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I agree with you in general, but stealing is wrong and they should fight it on principle.

Shutting down Napster was huge at the time, because it took music piracy out of the reach of tech-stupid people. I remember the next easiest thing back then was Limewire, and most lay people couldn't make the jump.

The trick, that several vendors including Apple showed with music, is to make the legal process easy enough to improve the value proposition to the point where you are willing pay. I can pirate any movie I want, but if it's in an easy-to-access place for $4 why waste my 20 minutes?

There will always be assholes and losers who get a tiny little thrill from ripping off artists, and I would agree that none of this stops them.

KK
I agree, which is why I think they should be spending their money on creating alternatives for us to use rather than just trying to shut things down. Some things, though, like porn are probably never going to have a reasonable alternative because mainstream companies don’t want to touch them.
 

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fuck bell and crtc
 

rhuarc29

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No different than shoplifting.
Oh, I agree. But I also don't have a lot of sympathy for the entertainment industry. The number of bullshit barriers they impose in order to jack up prices is ridiculous.
 

fall

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No different than shoplifting.
Very much different since we are talking about "public good" here. Online piracy is more like riding a bus at 11pm (when busses are empty) without paying a fare by somebody who is very tiny and fast, i.e. who does not make the fuel consumption go up and can board and leave a bus in a split second causing no delays at the bus stop.
 
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