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And you would be absolutely wrong. A good investigator is going to be through and will control information leaks. Perhaps Mueller has something bigger on the go? I keep saying it - you guys are too focused on collusion.


I've gone to EXTREME effort to "not prove that", by avoiding the collusion conversation and pointing out possible alternatives. Mueller's mandate allows him to look at all avenues as it applies to his mandate and breaking of federal law. Did you not read the documents I provided earlier?
You are like a dog with a bone - you have one idea in your head and you can't let it go.


Oh G*d, here we go again ........... blah, blah. Deep state. blah, blah. subversion of Democracy

You guys just can;t accept that it was perhaps Trump who subverted Democracy.
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You still haven't stated what special powers of investigation Mueller has that the combined might of all the world's intelligence agencies and the world press don't have.

And remember Papadopolis was busted mainly because because a foreign govt did supply information. I would imagine NATO intelligence nations are all cooperating.

Which brings me to the simple point that they woukd not leave a Manchurian Candidate in office if He had been elected.

And your final sentence is laughable. Because its in fact his opponents who can't accept the very real possibility he won fair and square. And that Hillary Clinton lost due to her shoddy campaign. That's your bone Rover. And there doesn't appear to be much narrow or meat.

As to the deep state if you look at the recent raise of the Military Budget and cancelling of the Wall St checks by bipartisan vote(led on the dems by Tim Kaine) and non reported in the main I'd say you are not paying attention.

Probably because the constant pictures played of Storm's tits have you distracted.
 
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Butler1000 said:
Which brings me to the simple point that they woukd not leave a Manchurian Candidate in office if He had been elected.
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Good point.

The answer, of course is that they aren't, its just taking long to do a proper and correct investigation.
 
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The raid targeted Cohen's docs on the Access to Hollywood tape, wonder what else they know about that was in the affidavit?

Think Cohen might have paid off some other women during the election?
Did he try to stop that tape coming out?

Oh, and Mueller asked for 35 subpoenas for witnesses for Manafort's trial in July.
Wonder who's going to be on that list and have to testify in court?
 
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Good point.

The answer, of course is that they aren't, its just taking long to do a proper and correct investigation.
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You missed the point. They would not leave him in office if there was any real evidence. They couldn't take that chance. They could not afford to wait. A leak would mounted public pressure to impeach.

This investigation as I predicted last year isnt about Russia or collusion. It's about hurting Trump and ramping up war rhetoric.

People still don't see the end game. Collusion would mean that Russia exposed the great frailty of American democracy. And having to admit that would hurt the American psyche for a generation. It would precipitate a Red Scare and possibly a war with Russia. It would cause the probable downfall of the two party system. Let alone the effect on the economy, stock market and other world security.

As of now I'd say collusion is done. It's was always about getting some piece of ancient dirt and having an excuse to dig for it.

It was an investigation in search of a crime. Which is the antithis of a Democratic Justice System.

A new low in American Federal partisanship.
 
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Butler1000 said:
You still haven't stated what special powers of investigation Mueller has that the combined might of all the world's intelligence agencies and the world press don't have.
And remember Papadopolis was busted mainly because because a foreign govt did supply information. I would imagine NATO intelligence nations are all cooperating.
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I'm not going to play your silly game. The answer is obvious.

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Which brings me to the simple point that they woukd not leave a Manchurian Candidate in office if He had been elected.
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- Because Mueller has to build an airtight case that will stand-up in a court of law and that takes time?
- Perhaps as Mueller peels the onion back, he has found much more than expected and needs time to investigate thoroughly?
- Because this is a hugely politically sensitive investigation, has many witnesses, has 1000s of pages of documents to review, Mueller is carefully measuring each step in order now to screw-up or give Trump an excuse to fire him?
- Although this started as an investigation of Trump, it was discovered that Trump incompetently or intentionally surrounded himself with many corrupt advisors and staff and all are now under investigation?
- Because this is how long it takes?
Butler, based on your many years of legal investigatory experience, how long should this investigation take? Ohh, that's right, you actually have no experience. You are just expressing an (uninformed) opinion.

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And your final sentence is laughable. Because its in fact his opponents who can't accept the very real possibility he won fair and square. And that Hillary Clinton lost due to her shoddy campaign. That's your bone Rover. And there doesn't appear to be much narrow or meat.
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Butler, what has one to do with the other?? Trump's winning the election doesn't mean he isn't guilty of crimes. And in case you haven't clued in, the investigation was originally looking at alleged illegal activities surrounding the election win. You are still dragging Hillary into every conversation - wow, you are obsessed dude - get over her!

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As to the deep state if you look at the recent raise of the Military Budget and cancelling of the Wall St checks by bipartisan vote(led on the dems by Tim Kaine) and non reported in the main I'd say you are not paying attention.
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Here we go again. Your other obsession, the deep state. How about we just stay on topic?

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Probably because the constant pictures played of Storm's tits have you distracted.
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lol, the truth is I don't like her poorly built fakes.
 
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Butler1000

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I'm not going to play your silly game. The answer is obvious.


- Because Mueller has to build an airtight case that will stand-up in a court of law and that takes time?
- Perhaps as Mueller peels the onion back, he has found much more than expected and needs time to investigate thoroughly?
- Because this is a hugely politically sensitive investigation, has many witnesses, has 1000s of pages of documents to review, Mueller is carefully measuring each step in order now to screw-up or give Trump an excuse to fire him?
- Although this started as an investigation of Trump, it was discovered that Trump incompetently or intentionally surrounded himself with many corrupt advisors and staff and all are now under investigation?
- Because this is how long it takes?
Butler, based on your many years of legal investigatory experience, how long should this investigation take? Ohh, that's right, you actually have no experience. You are just expressing an (uninformed) opinion.


Butler, what has one to do with the other?? Trump's winning the election doesn't mean he isn't guilty of crimes. And in case you haven't clued in, the investigation was originally looking at alleged illegal activities surrounding the election win. You are still dragging Hillary into every conversation - wow, you are obsessed dude - get over her!


Here we go again. Your other obsession, the deep state. How about we just stay on topic?


lol, the truth is I don't like her poorly built fakes.
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Yes. The answer is obvious. Collusion didn't happen. That this is an excuse to root in the muck hoping to find a truffle.

I find it amazing that people think one ex MI6 agent ten years out of the loop could come up with a dossier alleging collusion but the might of the world's intelligence agencies were blindsided by it.

Do you think the candidates aren't vetted and monitored before the primaries are over? Both at home and for every single overseas trip they Make?

But one guy who happened to be secretly paid by Clinton and the DNC came up with it. And to this day the press refuses to publish it's contents as unverifyable.

And despite this starting point the intelligence agencies also haven't verified it's contents.

It's a put up job. Pure And simple.
 
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Butler1000 said:
You missed the point. They would not leave him in office if there was any real evidence. They couldn't take that chance. They could not afford to wait. A leak would mounted public pressure to impeach.
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C'mon! Trump and team have gone to tremendous effort in the last year to discredit the MSM, the FBI, US Intelligence Agencies, legal experts, foreign intelligence agencies and even school teachers in order to make damn sure leaked information or any MSM information can't hurt him. That's why Mueller must build a bullet-proof case. Not only must it stand-up in court, it must stand-up to history.

Butler1000 said:
People still don't see the end game. Collusion would mean that Russia exposed the great frailty of American democracy. And having to admit that would hurt the American psyche for a generation. It would precipitate a Red Scare and possibly a war with Russia. It would cause the probable downfall of the two party system. Let alone the effect on the economy, stock market and other world security.
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I think many people do see the potential impact. Your scenario assumes the collusion was broad and deep. Reality is, we don't know yet (or if it even happened).

Why does everyone on the far/alt-right assume Mueller is dishonest and therefore on a witch hunt? Maybe in the end Trump is exonerated and only a couple of corrupt advisors get taken down. Whatever Mueller finds, we both know it's going to be examined by 100s of lawyers in excruciating detail.
 
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Butler1000 said:
Yes. The answer is obvious. Collusion didn't happen. That this is an excuse to root in the muck hoping to find a truffle.

I find it amazing that people think one ex MI6 agent ten years out of the loop could come up with a dossier alleging collusion but the might of the world's intelligence agencies were blindsided by it.

Do you think the candidates aren't vetted and monitored before the primaries are over? Both at home and for every single overseas trip they Make?

But one guy who happened to be secretly paid by Clinton and the DNC came up with it. And to this day the press refuses to publish it's contents as unverifyable.

And despite this starting point the intelligence agencies also haven't verified it's contents.

It's a put up job. Pure And simple.
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Occam's razor.

All the above topics have already been discussed at length here on Terb. I'm not going to bother rehashing them again with you.
 
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C'mon! Trump and team have gone to tremendous effort in the last year to discredit the MSM, the FBI, US Intelligence Agencies, legal experts, foreign intelligence agencies and even school teachers in order to make damn sure leaked information or any MSM information can't hurt him. That's why Mueller must build a bullet-proof case. Not only must it stand-up in court, it must stand-up to history.


I think many people do see the potential impact. Your scenario assumes the collusion was broad and deep. Reality is, we don't know yet (or if it even happened).

Why does everyone on the far/alt-right assume Mueller is dishonest and therefore on a witch hunt? Maybe in the end Trump is exonerated and only a couple of corrupt advisors get taken down. Whatever Mueller finds, we both know it's going to be examined by 100s of lawyers in excruciating detail.
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I think Mueller after his testimony on WMD has proven he can at least be very wrong on a topic. He is human and fallible.

And while he has proven himself a zealous and competent investigator he is also a man deeply embedded in Washington.

He isn't a Paladin. His beliefs and politics can color his judgement. I don't believe he would ever falsify evidence or commit illegal acts.

But I do believe he wants to remove Trump from office and will go beyond what should be a mandate to prove Collusion to get it.

What's to stop this from happening to every presidency if something comes up that can be twisted?

Washington is a dirty town. Half of Congress if placed under this level of scrutiny would be gone already.
 
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Okay, I'll give you three:
https://www.selectspecs.com/fashion-lifestyle/6-celebs-you-never-knew-wear-contact-lenses/ "The Donald would no doubt approve of our next entry ....... Although she has a dark brown eye colour, Ivanka uses big lenses to portray a radiant honey like finish
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That pic does not show an oversized pupil for Ivanka, try again

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https://www.refinery29.com/2017/04/...rue&bucketing_referrer=https://www.google.ca/ <-- picture is from a photoshoot set. Bright lights, glare on her skin, bright light reflected in her pupil ..... and abnormally large pupils.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/11/19/3F2A0A8000000578-4402258-image-m-78_1491934221581.jpg
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You're full of it, her pupils look perfectly normal. Not oversized at all


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There are many others, not sure why you can't do this for yourself
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No there arent many others. I havent even seen one yet


Promo said:
A simple google search will confirm that these lens are indeed popular:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...15-s-biggest-beauty-trends.html#ixzz5COgXstGs Controversial contact lenses that give you enlarged 'anime eyes' set to be one of 2015's biggest beauty trends:
Knowing you; you are not going to do your research and will jump on the "However, doctors have warned that the cosmetic lenses, which cover up the whites of the eyes in order to make the irises appear larger, can cause serious infection and even blindness". But a little research will show that these lenses are now fully legal (with a prescription) and safe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_contact_lens
https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianBeauty/comments/3u2vey/are_circle_lens_still_popular_in_asia/
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Circle lenses are on the outside of the iris, not the pupil. Do you even know the difference between an iris and a pupil??!!

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https://eyecandys.com/pages/are-circle-lenses-safe : "Circle lenses, which are also often called “big eye contacts,” were first introduced in South Korea. These colored contact lenses have become a hugely popular fashion accessory in Asia since they first launched, and are now available everywhere from optical shops to retail boutiques and online stores. These days, however, circle lenses are also growing in popularity in the United States and English-speaking markets, ever since Lady Gaga wore a pair in her Bad Romance video. In fact, the popularity of these contacts is such that tutorial videos on how to use them to complement eye makeup have gone viral. With this popularity, of course, comes the question of whether these colored contacts are safe to use. The answer is: yes, colored contacts are safe to wear........."
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Of course coloured contacts are safe, but thats only when they cover the iris and not the pupil.

Another massive Promo FAIL
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
That pic does not show an oversized pupil for Ivanka, try again
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That's pretty funny that you're still obsessed with Daniel's pupils.
'Cuz Trump has just lost this round massively.

His usual bully tactics totally backfired on him, instead of admitting he had sex with her and made the payment, where he would have suffered a small fine, now he's gone and lost his personal lawyer and everything he wrote. All of a sudden prosecutors are looking at the Access to Hollywood tape which means they are trying to uncover similar payments.

Cohen is in massive trouble, he lied to his bank about the loan he took out to pay Daniels. That's bank fraud, not to mention he'll get disbarred for doing the NDA without his client's knowledge or consent.

Daniels has won this round, big pupils or not.
 
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Frankfooter said:
That's pretty funny that you're still obsessed with Daniel's pupils.
'Cuz Trump has just lost this round massively.

His usual bully tactics totally backfired on him, instead of admitting he had sex with her and made the payment, where he would have suffered a small fine, now he's gone and lost his personal lawyer and everything he wrote. All of a sudden prosecutors are looking at the Access to Hollywood tape which means they are trying to uncover similar payments.

Cohen is in massive trouble, he lied to his bank about the loan he took out to pay Daniels. That's bank fraud, not to mention he'll get disbarred for doing the NDA without his client's knowledge or consent.

Daniels has won this round, big pupils or not
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Until Cohen is charged and convicted, and until Trump is impeached, Stormy and the sorry left-wing lot hasnt won anything yet
 
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Butler1000 said:
Yes. The answer is obvious. Collusion didn't happen. That this is an excuse to root in the muck hoping to find a truffle.

I find it amazing that people think one ex MI6 agent ten years out of the loop could come up with a dossier alleging collusion but the might of the world's intelligence agencies were blindsided by it.

Do you think the candidates aren't vetted and monitored before the primaries are over? Both at home and for every single overseas trip they Make?

But one guy who happened to be secretly paid by Clinton and the DNC came up with it. And to this day the press refuses to publish it's contents as unverifyable.

And despite this starting point the intelligence agencies also haven't verified it's contents.

It's a put up job. Pure And simple.
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Let us not forget a very, very important detail. Cohen IS in the Dossier. It's a false information, like the rest of it, but there he is. And it's a big reason why the Dossier was dismissed as false.
 
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Let us not forget a very, very important detail. Cohen IS in the Dossier. It's a false information, like the rest of it, but there he is. And it's a big reason why the Dossier was dismissed as false.
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Good one.

The 'false' dossier is still in Mueller's hands, by the way. The piss dossier is still in play as Mueller continues to investigate the allegations of collusion there that were backed up the bragging of Trump's Papadopolous, Stone's tweets, Don Jr's Russian meetings and of course, by the Daniel's storm. While I'm sure that for Fox/Breitbart watchers are all convinced that its been proven wrong, the rest of the US is still waiting for the results of Mueller's investigations into just how accurate that piss dossier is.

Meanwhile, the rats have left the ship.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/382773-loss-of-ryan-hits-hard-for-house-republicans
 
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Frankfooter said:
Good one.

The 'false' dossier is still in Mueller's hands, by the way. The piss dossier is still in play as Mueller continues to investigate the allegations of collusion there that were backed up the bragging of Trump's Papadopolous, Stone's tweets, Don Jr's Russian meetings and of course, by the Daniel's storm. While I'm sure that for Fox/Breitbart watchers are all convinced that its been proven wrong, the rest of the US is still waiting for the results of Mueller's investigations into just how accurate that piss dossier is.

Meanwhile, the rats have left the ship.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/382773-loss-of-ryan-hits-hard-for-house-republicans
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You're calling Congressman Ryan a rat? An honorable and middle of the road politician and as controversial as apple pie who served for almost 20 years. That rat?
BTW. Mueller has the Dossier in his hand. So??? He also has toilet paper in his hand, hopefully, at least once a day. Spoon? Fork? A safe bet. Yet, still salacious and unverified. Kind of laughable, at this point.
 
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Phil, if you bothered to read all the material I gave you, you would have realized that large pupil lenses, circle lens and big lenses are interchangeable words and all belong to a family of cosmetic lens designed to change the cosmetic appearance of the eye. Some are designed to make the pupil appear larger, some are made to make the iris appear larger and some are designed to change both. Why can't you just be truthful?

Phil C. McNasty said:
That pic does not show an oversized pupil for Ivanka, try again
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Phil, it says right in the text accompanying the picture: "Although she has a dark brown eye colour, Ivanka uses big lenses to portray a radiant honey like finish" and clearly her pupils are larger than normal considering the brightness of her environment. Comparison to other Ivanka pictures supports this and that her iris are normal size.
https://www.selectspecs.com/fashion-lifestyle/6-celebs-you-never-knew-wear-contact-lenses/

Phil C. McNasty said:
You're full of it, her pupils look perfectly normal. Not oversized at all
No there arent many others. I havent even seen one yet
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If you are just going to lie, what is the point?

Phil C. McNasty said:
Circle lenses are on the outside of the iris, not the pupil. Do you even know the difference between an iris and a pupil??!!
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Outside of the iris? <-- you've obviously made a mistake in your wording. You would jump ALL OVER anyone else who did that and would use it to claim you were right, but I'm not as childish as you and will just let it go.

Again, read ALL of the material: Some are designed to make the pupil appear larger, some are made to make the irisappear larger and some are designed to change both. Others are designed with patterns over the iris (https://www.ieyebeauty.com/product-category/lenses/circle-lenses/). Be honest Phil.

Phil C. McNasty said:
Of course coloured contacts are safe, but thats only when they cover the iris and not the pupil.
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Phil, FFS, they are still contact lenses, they cover the whole eye, there is no little cut-out in the middle! How stupid can you be?
The ones that are made to make the iris look larger are clear in the center. The one made to make the pupil look larger are clear over the iris. The ones made to change the appearance of both have no clear parts.

You appear to be at the point that you will just deny/lie, same MO as you use with other people in a debate. Is your online life only about trolling?
 
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