..thanks for the responses. The only thing I would add is this.
Torture does not work as a means of getting information. Becuase the person being tortured will say anything to make it stop.
So torture, of the kind any Occuppying army engages in after awhile. Northern Ireland , Kashmir , Iraq exct. Serves one real purpose, as a means of population control & revenge.
Dont mess around or else you may end up....
Even if you wanted to, you can't stop Individual soldiers for exacting revenge after one of their buddies gets his legs blown off.
As long as the US is there, this will continue. The question is, is it worth it ?
Our Society will change if we are there too long.
As DQ has said, I think we have passed the Rubicon.
Unfortunately few have seemed to have noticed.