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Trump’s Dad Was So Racist, Woody Guthrie Wrote A Song About It

In 1950, Woody Guthrie signed a lease for an apartment in Brooklyn; his landlord was Fred C. Trump

By Mariel Loveland

In 2015, future President Donald Trump issued a seemingly innocuous — but increasingly portentous when put into context — statement: “My legacy has roots in my father’s legacy.” But it might be more than business acumen that has trickled down from the top of the gold-encrusted Trump family tree. Trump’s dad Fred had an unexpected occupant in one of his New York properties in the early 1950s: American singer-songwriter and social justice warrior Woody Guthrie. And guess what? Guthrie was no fan of “Old Man Trump.”

While contemporary musicians like Adele, Miley Cyrus, and Waka Flocka Flame have all taken to social media in order to criticize Donald Trump’s ideals, this was merely round two of musicians coming for the Trumps. Over 60 years ago, Guthrie was feverishly penning tunes lambasting Fred Trump for racist behavior. “Old Man Trump,” Guthrie’s song about Fred, exposed a dark world where the landlord and rumored KKK affiliate profited from an apartment complex that housed only white families. It included the scathing lines, “I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate/He stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts/When he drawed that color line.”

Guthrie was no stranger to American protest songs by the time he was spitting fire about Fred Trump

Woodrow Wilson, “Woody,” Guthrie is regarded as a founding father of American protest music. His most famous work was an alternative version of “God Bless America” — “This Land Is Your Land,” which he penned in 1940, recorded in 1944, and released in 1951. In the decades since its inception, the tune has been played at protest rallies, sung around campfires, and trumpeted at progressive schools because of its appeal to a Left-leaning political mentality. Guthrie’s upbringing and lifestyle allowed him to understand struggle within the tight confines of the American dream. He was thrown deep into the trenches of American life as he walked, hitchhiked, and road railways from his home in Oklahoma across the country.

By the time Guthrie encountered Fred Trump, he had already written racially charged protest songs like “The Ferguson Brothers Killing,” which condemned the police brutality that killed Charles and Alfonso Ferguson in 1946. However, it took over 60 years for historians to discover the impact Fred Trump had on the singer-songwriter.

Before the two tangled, Fred Trump had already been arrested at a KKK rally

In May of 1927, a 21-year-old Fred Trump was arrested in the melee surrounding a Klan rally in Jamaica, Queens. A New York Times article from the incident describes the scene as “1,000 Klansmen and 100 policemen [staging] a free-for-all.” For his part, Donald Trump vehemently denied that his father was ever arrested at a Klan rally, and he urged New York Times reporter Jason Horowitz to drop the subject in an interview, stating, “It shouldn’t be written because it never happened, number one. And number two, there was nobody charged.”

Trump did get one thing right: his father was never charged. Out of the seven people arrested, Trump’s father was the only one who got off completely free. According to a clipping from the now defunct Daily Star, four of those arrested were expected to go to court, and two were paroled. One, Fred Trump, was not held on charges. However, this doesn’t negate his standing as a member of the Klan. According to newspaper clip obtained by VICE, all the people arrested were wearing Klan attire, which VICE contends likely would have included Fred Trump.

Decades after the Klan rally, Fred Trump became a real estate mogul

The years following Fred Trump’s arrest were very fruitful for the budding real estate mogul. He became a wealthy real estate developer who housed thousands of families in New York while fielding consistent accusations of racism. Some of the complaints were informal, and some were blasted out through the power of song. The “informal” accusations came to a head when Woody Guthrie accused Trump of drawing a “color line” in a neighborhood near Coney Island. The formal accusations reached a peak in the 1970s, when the US Department of Justice brought a claim against Trump and his son, Donald, for racist housing practices.

Fred Trump developed the Beach Haven public housing complex as part of the postwar affordable housing boom
In the years following World War II, hundreds of thousands of servicemen returned to New York City, and affordable public housing became a major priority for local government. The Federal Housing Authority stepped in to issue loans and subsidies for developers willing to construct blocks of housing. Guess who jumped at the opportunity? Fred Trump. Trump ended up making much of his fortune by constructing public housing and collecting rent on the properties.

In December 1950, Woody Guthrie signed a lease at Beach Haven

When Guthrie signed a two-year lease at Trump’s Beach Haven property in 1950, he started noticing that nearly all of the families who lived in the complex were white. Will Kaufman, who uncovered Guthrie’s notes about the period while doing research in the Woody Guthrie Center’s archives, writes that the singer-songwriter was, “lamenting the bigotry that pervaded his new, lily-white neighborhood” when he penned the song “Old Man Trump.”

Guthrie’s lyrics went as follows:

I suppose
Old Man Trump knows
Just how much
Racial Hate
he stirred up
In the bloodpot of human hearts
When he drawed
That color line
Here at his
Eighteen hundred family project.

What Guthrie didn’t know was that the FHA had specific racial guidelines

Fred Trump wasn’t acting on his own when he refused to rent property to people of color. In the 1950s, the FHA, which fronted the bill for some of Trump’s housing projects, had a set of guidelines for avoiding “inharmonious uses of housing.” According to Trump biographer Gwenda Blair, this was, “a code phrase for selling homes in white areas to blacks.” The practice of refusing to rent people of color homes in traditionally white areas was rather common among FHA projects. It only took a year for Guthrie to find out the truth.

Guthrie imagined a world where he could transform Trump’s complex into a racially diverse community
In the year he lived there, Guthrie dubbed Beach Haven “Bitch Haven.” His notebooks from the period, which outline the lyrics to “Old Man Trump,” imagine a world where he could break the cycle of racism. He wrote:

I welcome you here to live. I welcome you and your man both here to Beach Haven to love in any ways you please and to have some kind of a decent place to get pregnant in and to have your kids raised up in. I’m yelling out my own welcome to you.

Woody Guthrie hated Fred Trump so much, he also reworked an old song to be about him

Woody Guthrie didn’t just write “Old Man Trump” about Fred Trump’s alleged racism. He also reworked his song “Ain’t Got No Home” to be about the moral struggle of living in an affordable housing complex where black citizens aren’t allowed.

According to Professor Will Kaufman, his new lyrics read:

Beach Haven ain’t my home!
I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain!
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven looks like heaven
Where no black ones come to roam!
No, no, no! Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!

Fred Trump faced formal charges of discrimination in 1973 and 1978

Though Guthrie caught on quickly and moved out of Beach Have within two years, it took substantially longer for actual discrimination cases to be brought against Trump. In 1973 and 1978, the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department leveled accusations against the Trump family, including the major charge of “racially discriminatory conduct by Trump agents.” The worst evidence came from his own employees.

According to court records, four superintendents and rental agents confirmed that housing applications were coded by race, and doormen were told to discourage black apartment-seekers from entering the building by claiming there were no vacancies or falsely hiking up rents. One superintendent claimed he was told to send black applicants to the central office, while white applicants could be dealt with on site. Another rental agent claimed that Trump directly told her not to rent to blacks.

In 1983, the New York State Division of Housing and Community Renewal looked at Fred Trump’s properties again, mainly “Trump Village” residential properties. They found that residents were 95% white.

“Old Man Trump” was recorded and released in 2016

https://medium.com/@editors_91459/trumps-dad-was-so-racist-woody-guthrie-wrote-a-song-about-it-deea588fa11a
 

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Trump’s Dad Was So Racist, Woody Guthrie Wrote A Song About It

In 1950, Woody Guthrie signed a lease for an apartment in Brooklyn; his landlord was Fred C. Trump

By Mariel Loveland

In 2015, future President Donald Trump issued a seemingly innocuous — but increasingly portentous when put into context — statement: “My legacy has roots in my father’s legacy.” But it might be more than business acumen that has trickled down from the top of the gold-encrusted Trump family tree. Trump’s dad Fred had an unexpected occupant in one of his New York properties in the early 1950s: American singer-songwriter and social justice warrior Woody Guthrie. And guess what? Guthrie was no fan of “Old Man Trump.”

While contemporary musicians like Adele, Miley Cyrus, and Waka Flocka Flame have all taken to social media in order to criticize Donald Trump’s ideals, this was merely round two of musicians coming for the Trumps. Over 60 years ago, Guthrie was feverishly penning tunes lambasting Fred Trump for racist behavior. “Old Man Trump,” Guthrie’s song about Fred, exposed a dark world where the landlord and rumored KKK affiliate profited from an apartment complex that housed only white families. It included the scathing lines, “I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate/He stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts/When he drawed that color line.”

Guthrie was no stranger to American protest songs by the time he was spitting fire about Fred Trump

Woodrow Wilson, “Woody,” Guthrie is regarded as a founding father of American protest music. His most famous work was an alternative version of “God Bless America” — “This Land Is Your Land,” which he penned in 1940, recorded in 1944, and released in 1951. In the decades since its inception, the tune has been played at protest rallies, sung around campfires, and trumpeted at progressive schools because of its appeal to a Left-leaning political mentality. Guthrie’s upbringing and lifestyle allowed him to understand struggle within the tight confines of the American dream. He was thrown deep into the trenches of American life as he walked, hitchhiked, and road railways from his home in Oklahoma across the country.

By the time Guthrie encountered Fred Trump, he had already written racially charged protest songs like “The Ferguson Brothers Killing,” which condemned the police brutality that killed Charles and Alfonso Ferguson in 1946. However, it took over 60 years for historians to discover the impact Fred Trump had on the singer-songwriter.

Before the two tangled, Fred Trump had already been arrested at a KKK rally

In May of 1927, a 21-year-old Fred Trump was arrested in the melee surrounding a Klan rally in Jamaica, Queens. A New York Times article from the incident describes the scene as “1,000 Klansmen and 100 policemen [staging] a free-for-all.” For his part, Donald Trump vehemently denied that his father was ever arrested at a Klan rally, and he urged New York Times reporter Jason Horowitz to drop the subject in an interview, stating, “It shouldn’t be written because it never happened, number one. And number two, there was nobody charged.”

Trump did get one thing right: his father was never charged. Out of the seven people arrested, Trump’s father was the only one who got off completely free. According to a clipping from the now defunct Daily Star, four of those arrested were expected to go to court, and two were paroled. One, Fred Trump, was not held on charges. However, this doesn’t negate his standing as a member of the Klan. According to newspaper clip obtained by VICE, all the people arrested were wearing Klan attire, which VICE contends likely would have included Fred Trump.

Decades after the Klan rally, Fred Trump became a real estate mogul

The years following Fred Trump’s arrest were very fruitful for the budding real estate mogul. He became a wealthy real estate developer who housed thousands of families in New York while fielding consistent accusations of racism. Some of the complaints were informal, and some were blasted out through the power of song. The “informal” accusations came to a head when Woody Guthrie accused Trump of drawing a “color line” in a neighborhood near Coney Island. The formal accusations reached a peak in the 1970s, when the US Department of Justice brought a claim against Trump and his son, Donald, for racist housing practices.

Fred Trump developed the Beach Haven public housing complex as part of the postwar affordable housing boom
In the years following World War II, hundreds of thousands of servicemen returned to New York City, and affordable public housing became a major priority for local government. The Federal Housing Authority stepped in to issue loans and subsidies for developers willing to construct blocks of housing. Guess who jumped at the opportunity? Fred Trump. Trump ended up making much of his fortune by constructing public housing and collecting rent on the properties.

In December 1950, Woody Guthrie signed a lease at Beach Haven

When Guthrie signed a two-year lease at Trump’s Beach Haven property in 1950, he started noticing that nearly all of the families who lived in the complex were white. Will Kaufman, who uncovered Guthrie’s notes about the period while doing research in the Woody Guthrie Center’s archives, writes that the singer-songwriter was, “lamenting the bigotry that pervaded his new, lily-white neighborhood” when he penned the song “Old Man Trump.”

Guthrie’s lyrics went as follows:

I suppose
Old Man Trump knows
Just how much
Racial Hate
he stirred up
In the bloodpot of human hearts
When he drawed
That color line
Here at his
Eighteen hundred family project.

What Guthrie didn’t know was that the FHA had specific racial guidelines

Fred Trump wasn’t acting on his own when he refused to rent property to people of color. In the 1950s, the FHA, which fronted the bill for some of Trump’s housing projects, had a set of guidelines for avoiding “inharmonious uses of housing.” According to Trump biographer Gwenda Blair, this was, “a code phrase for selling homes in white areas to blacks.” The practice of refusing to rent people of color homes in traditionally white areas was rather common among FHA projects. It only took a year for Guthrie to find out the truth.

Guthrie imagined a world where he could transform Trump’s complex into a racially diverse community
In the year he lived there, Guthrie dubbed Beach Haven “Bitch Haven.” His notebooks from the period, which outline the lyrics to “Old Man Trump,” imagine a world where he could break the cycle of racism. He wrote:

I welcome you here to live. I welcome you and your man both here to Beach Haven to love in any ways you please and to have some kind of a decent place to get pregnant in and to have your kids raised up in. I’m yelling out my own welcome to you.

Woody Guthrie hated Fred Trump so much, he also reworked an old song to be about him

Woody Guthrie didn’t just write “Old Man Trump” about Fred Trump’s alleged racism. He also reworked his song “Ain’t Got No Home” to be about the moral struggle of living in an affordable housing complex where black citizens aren’t allowed.

According to Professor Will Kaufman, his new lyrics read:

Beach Haven ain’t my home!
I just can’t pay this rent!
My money’s down the drain!
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven looks like heaven
Where no black ones come to roam!
No, no, no! Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!

Fred Trump faced formal charges of discrimination in 1973 and 1978

Though Guthrie caught on quickly and moved out of Beach Have within two years, it took substantially longer for actual discrimination cases to be brought against Trump. In 1973 and 1978, the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department leveled accusations against the Trump family, including the major charge of “racially discriminatory conduct by Trump agents.” The worst evidence came from his own employees.

According to court records, four superintendents and rental agents confirmed that housing applications were coded by race, and doormen were told to discourage black apartment-seekers from entering the building by claiming there were no vacancies or falsely hiking up rents. One superintendent claimed he was told to send black applicants to the central office, while white applicants could be dealt with on site. Another rental agent claimed that Trump directly told her not to rent to blacks.

In 1983, the New York State Division of Housing and Community Renewal looked at Fred Trump’s properties again, mainly “Trump Village” residential properties. They found that residents were 95% white.

“Old Man Trump” was recorded and released in 2016

https://medium.com/@editors_91459/trumps-dad-was-so-racist-woody-guthrie-wrote-a-song-about-it-deea588fa11a
Interesting little sidebar, I wonder if Woody ever recorded either song. Typical of Donny to over-hype his denial, "Admit nothing, always claim the win!" And as the article points out, it wasn't just Old Man Trump who was racist, back then — when Donny was in kindergarten — it was government policy. How long before it is again?
 

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So now we are going back 68 years to find things to obsess about, with a side trip 91 years into the past.


By the way if we are going to obsess about Fred Trump in 1927 what about Robert C. Byrd in the 1940's?
 

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So now we are going back 68 years to find things to obsess about, with a side trip 91 years into the past.


By the way if we are going to obsess about Fred Trump in 1927 what about Robert C. Byrd in the 1940's?
Member of the KKK, and chrged by the justice department for racial discrimination. No wonder you approve.
 

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Member of the KKK, and chrged by the justice department for racial discrimination. No wonder you approve.
Who else was a member of the KKK? How about Honorable Senator Byrd? Should I go down the list of those who eulogized him in not so distant past? He was a Democrat, so it's a okay, eh?
 

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So now we are going back 68 years to find things to obsess about, with a side trip 91 years into the past.


By the way if we are going to obsess about Fred Trump in 1927 what about Robert C. Byrd in the 1940's?
What weird personal definition of 'obsess' are you working with? Woody Guthrie is plenty famous enough in his own right to merit a thread, even for songs about nobody developers (Trump a nobody!? Perish the thought!) And TrumpDaddy's already back in the news thanks to the earlier New York Times piece, that you can't have missed. Nor can you be unaware he and Son Donny were charged with racial discrimination in later years, well after these songs. We call all that stuff History, and its study is generally considered to be a Good Thing.

You could similarly enlighten us about your guy Byrd, but first I hope you put some effort into trying to lighten up yourself. You'll live happier and longer.
 

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Member of the KKK, and chrged by the justice department for racial discrimination. No wonder you approve.
Frank Trump seemingly attended a meeting, meanwhile Robert Byrd was an Officer in the Klan. Which of these indicates a greater involvement?

Oh I know the man who seemingly was at a single meeting.
 

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Frank Trump seemingly attended a meeting, meanwhile Robert Byrd was an Officer in the Klan. Which of these indicates a greater involvement?

Oh I know the man who seemingly was at a single meeting.
Not surprisingly, you consider it OK to attend KKK meetings. Do you attend yourself?

And pray tell me why I should care about Robert Bird. Is he perhaps one of your idols?
 

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Not surprisingly, you consider it OK to attend KKK meetings. Do you attend yourself?

And pray tell me why I should care about Robert Bird. Is he perhaps one of your idols?
He is DEAD get over it
 

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So Obama's dad being communist whatever mattered even though Obama's father was hardly in his life. While Fred Trump being KKK does not matter even though he was there throughout Trump's life.
 

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He is DEAD get over it
Fred is dead, but the Donald was involved in discrimatory practices in the seventies.
. In 1973 and 1978, the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department leveled accusations against the Trump family, including the major charge of “racially discriminatory conduct by Trump agents.” The worst evidence came from his own employees.
 

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Fred is dead, but the Donald was involved in discrimatory practices in the seventies.
. In 1973 and 1978, the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department leveled accusations against the Trump family, including the major charge of “racially discriminatory conduct by Trump agents.” The worst evidence came from his own employees.
Ah back in 1973 when The Donald was the ripe old age of 27. It wasn't quite his empire yet, but keep trying.
 

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Is this a new template? When everything else fails just reach for the most ridiculous accusations? Kavanaugh comes to mind. When they couldn't get him on policy they unearthed an attempted rape victim, followed by indecent exposure and gang bangs. Only to end with a whimper- the ice gate. So, now we're going after Trump's father. Did collusion fail?
 

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You forgetting the racist Trump landlord actions?
you who is openly anti-jewish, supports and defend anti-black racist Arab regimes, looks the away when Charlemagne repeatedly call Jamaicans lazy, etc have no business calling anybody racist
 

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Who else was a member of the KKK? How about Honorable Senator Byrd? Should I go down the list of those who eulogized him in not so distant past? He was a Democrat, so it's a okay, eh?
Whataboutism
 

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Frank Trump seemingly attended a meeting, meanwhile Robert Byrd was an Officer in the Klan. Which of these indicates a greater involvement?

Oh I know the man who seemingly was at a single meeting.
Whataboutism
 

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you who is openly anti-jewish, supports and defend anti-black racist Arab regimes, looks the away when Charlemagne repeatedly call Jamaicans lazy, etc have no business calling anybody racist
When did I ever call Jamaicans lazy? I always reframe from using the word ALL when I criticize SOME Jamaicans. I guess you also have trouble realizing when I'm trying to make you see the double standard in you calling out other groups when a lot can be said about your own people.
 

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Fred is dead, but the Donald was involved in discrimatory practices in the seventies.
. In 1973 and 1978, the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department leveled accusations against the Trump family, including the major charge of “racially discriminatory conduct by Trump agents.” The worst evidence came from his own employees.
This^^^
 

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When did I ever call Jamaicans lazy? I always reframe from using the word ALL when I criticize SOME Jamaicans. I guess you also have trouble realizing when I'm trying to make you see the double standard in you calling out other groups when a lot can be said about your own people.


you are known on this board to attack Jamaicans

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...nerals-street&highlight=charlemagne+jamaicans


claim that Jamaicans are look down on in the west indies

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...erals-street&p=6152771&viewfull=1#post6152771


and many more in that thread
 
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