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Will Trump replace RBG in his current term?

Will Trump replace RBG on the Supreme Court

  • He will succeed

    Votes: 18 69.2%
  • He won't succeed

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • I agree with Trump

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • I don't agree with Trump

    Votes: 12 46.2%

  • Total voters
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Dutch Oven

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Both realities irrelevant. The constitution says president nominates. Not a lame duck, not a first term. President.
The Constitution also says an appointment is only made on the advice and consent of the Senate. No Senate consent, no appointment. The Senate made it pretty clear that they weren't going to consent to the appointment of Garland.

Now, if Obama had been in his first term, the Senate would understand that it could not thwart justice by understaffing the court indefinitely, and since all of the potential appointees would then be coming from Obama, so they would have to accept at least one of his proposed candidates within a reasonable period of time (that time might still have been beyond the 2016 election).

Also, I think all judges are never sure when they will die.
True, but they are sure when they are frail and ill. It's an uncommon kind of arrogance that persuades a judge to continue to sit to make extraordinarily important decisions affecting her fellow citizens when she knows she is going be dimished and distracted by her health challenges. It's an uncommon degree of detachment from humanity that persuades a judge to continue on with her work instead of focussing on her family and relationships when she knows her time is drawing to a close. Moral of the story? Old, frail judges can often exercise poor judgement - in their decisions, and in their lives.
 

Dutch Oven

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kherg007

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The Constitution also says an appointment is only made on the advice and consent of the Senate. No Senate consent, no appointment. The Senate made it pretty clear that they weren't going to consent to the appointment of Garland.

Now, if Obama had been in his first term, the Senate would understand that it could not thwart justice by understaffing the court indefinitely, and since all of the potential appointees would then be coming from Obama, so they would have to accept at least one of his proposed candidates within a reasonable period of time (that time might still have been beyond the 2016 election).



True, but they are sure when they are frail and ill. It's an uncommon kind of arrogance that persuades a judge to continue to sit to make extraordinarily important decisions affecting her fellow citizens when she knows she is going be dimished and distracted by her health challenges. It's an uncommon degree of detachment from humanity that persuades a judge to continue on with her work instead of focussing on her family and relationships when she knows her time is drawing to a close. Moral of the story? Old, frail judges can often exercise poor judgement - in their decisions, and in their lives.
But Mitch blocked all Obama judges so Harry Reid ended the filibuster.
 

Dutch Oven

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latinboy

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True, but they are sure when they are frail and ill. It's an uncommon kind of arrogance that persuades a judge to continue to sit to make extraordinarily important decisions affecting her fellow citizens when she knows she is going be dimished and distracted by her health challenges. It's an uncommon degree of detachment from humanity that persuades a judge to continue on with her work instead of focussing on her family and relationships when she knows her time is drawing to a close. Moral of the story? Old, frail judges can often exercise poor judgement - in their decisions, and in their lives.

AGREED.

She was repeatedly (and strongly) advised to step down by numerous sources but wilfully chose not to. And now we are being lead to believe that her dying wish from her deathbed was not to replace her until after the election. If that's true (which I doubt), then the sheer level of arrogance and megalomania is truly astonishing. And contradicts everything she said in 2016.

PERHAPS IT WAS TIME TO HANG UP THE ROBES WHEN SHE SLUMPED OVER AND FELL ASLEEP @ TWO DIFFERENT STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESSES IN BOTH 2010 & 2015




 
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Butler1000

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Romney is voting yes. He wrote something more mealy mouthed, but he said he is fine with them confirming before the election.

So that's that then.

I still expect announcement today or tomorrow and votes by next Friday at the latest.
This surprised me a bit. But i guess the religious side of him won out. That or some quiet local polling sent a message. Or both.
 

explorerzip

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The process the Americans have built has gotten way too political. Televising the proceedings makes it so much worse because it encourages "showboating" by the people involved. IMO, filling the court with mostly Conservative or Liberal judges contradicts the point of a balanced justice system.

That being said, the Canadian system basically operates in the dark and nobody knows who the Chief Justice is without Googling. The thing is that most people including elected officials around the world have a very poor grasp of how government and the justice system works.
 

kherg007

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What's your point?
You said repubs would care about understaffing the judiciary. They deliberately did it, so I assume they didn't care.
 

wigglee

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Trump tweeted it will be Saturday.

Pelosi has said they still have things they will try.
Wonder what she's got in mind.

The only thing that could really mess this up is if any senators get the virus and can't vote, at this point.
If the Dems win the White House and the Senate, they can increase the number of Judges, thus giving the left a majority
 

Valcazar

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Romney said he'd vote based on qualifications.
Which means he will vote for whoever they put up as long as she isn't implausibly unqualified.

Getting a hardcore theocrat who wants to dissolve the wall between Church and State might make him pause since Mormons have a history of being on the losing side of that when other Christian sects are in charge, but since they will go after obvious non-christians first he may think it is worth the risk. If they go with someone who just wants all the other right wing stuff first then he will vote yes without pausing.
 

Frankfooter

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Which means he will vote for whoever they put up as long as she isn't implausibly unqualified.

Getting a hardcore theocrat who wants to dissolve the wall between Church and State might make him pause since Mormons have a history of being on the losing side of that when other Christian sects are in charge, but since they will go after obvious non-christians first he may think it is worth the risk. If they go with someone who just wants all the other right wing stuff first then he will vote yes without pausing.
I wonder if that's true.
Romney is already in Trump's bad books, he can pretty much do whatever he wants based on what he thinks will help himself.
He can't get any worse treatment from the party.
 

Valcazar

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I wonder if that's true.
Romney is already in Trump's bad books, he can pretty much do whatever he wants based on what he thinks will help himself.
He can't get any worse treatment from the party.
But he believes in all those right wing things.
Putting a judge who will strike down voting rights, increase corporate control over workers, remove health care, get rid of the social safety net, etc., etc. is something he is 100% for. Giving Trump the win is a small price to pay for getting that.
 

Dutch Oven

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Putting a judge who will strike down voting rights
= ensure voters can be identified, and have a legal entitlement to vote as citizens. Why isn't this important and legitimate?

increase corporate control over workers
= ? Most labour law is state law. I wouldn't expect a conservative SCOTUS to interfere with state rights.

remove health care
= allow states to determine the structure of public health care

get rid of the social safety net, etc., etc
= ? What social benefits would a conservative court be likely to strike down, apart from Obamacare? Mandatory state funded abortions?
 

Valcazar

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Dutch Oven, seriously.
Have you never paid attention to the conservative agenda?
 

Butler1000

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But he believes in all those right wing things.
Putting a judge who will strike down voting rights, increase corporate control over workers, remove health care, get rid of the social safety net, etc., etc. is something he is 100% for. Giving Trump the win is a small price to pay for getting that.
People forget how he was taken down by Obama in 2012. And his career with Bain Capital.

Its like they still cant get it through their heads that these right wing conservatives may not like Trump personally, but they like his policy. And the judges and SC have been the holy grail for awhile now.

These are votes Biden has been chasing. Note how loyal they are when they see the open throat.
 
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