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Why Canada's hospital capacity was so easily overwhelmed by the COVID pandemic

basketcase

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As I said in the other thread, fixing the problems will involve tax dollars. If anything, this pandemic has exposed the flaw with trying to treat public services as if they are a business.
 
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As I said in the other thread, fixing the problems will involve tax dollars. If anything, this pandemic has exposed the flaw with trying to treat public services as if they are a business.
Not true. Our governments spend enough. Our federal government grew by 24% in the last few years. The Moron of Ottawa is spending like a drunken sailor on leave, just recently he committed $40 billion to the Natives for something with no strings attached. We certainly spend more on healthcare than most of the developed world, yet we get shit in return- We don't even meet the WHO's minimum requirements for the number of beds per capita. Our system is a sacred cow, untouchable, beyond evolution, over staffed, over unionized, over funded, overly politicized and it consistently underperforms.
 

Mr.Know-It-All

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As I said in the other thread, fixing the problems will involve tax dollars. If anything, this pandemic has exposed the flaw with trying to treat public services as if they are a business.
You've never worked for the government. If you did, you'd be appalled at how money is wasted. There's enough tax dollars... but it's not spent properly.

Treated like a business??? In business, the consequence for spending unwisely is going bankrupt. There is no parallel in government.
 

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Not true. Our governments spend enough. Our federal government grew by 24% in the last few years. The Moron of Ottawa is spending like a drunken sailor on leave, just recently he committed $40 billion to the Natives for something with no strings attached. We certainly spend more on healthcare than most of the developed world, yet we get shit in return- We don't even meet the WHO's minimum requirements for the number of beds per capita. Our system is a sacred cow, untouchable, beyond evolution, over staffed, over unionized, over funded, overly politicized and it consistently underperforms.
You do realize it is the provinces responsible for administering health care and correct me if I'm wrong. It is a Conservative government in charge, NO??


"Canada has a decentralized, universal, publicly funded health system called Canadian Medicare. Health care is funded and administered primarily by the country's 13 provinces and territories. Each has its own insurance plan, and each receives cash assistance from the federal government on a per-capita"
 
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K Douglas

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You do realize it is the provinces responsible for administering health care and correct me if I'm wrong. It is a Conservative government in charge, NO??


"Canada has a decentralized, universal, publicly funded health system called Canadian Medicare. Health care is funded and administered primarily by the country's 13 provinces and territories. Each has its own insurance plan, and each receives cash assistance from the federal government on a per-capita"
Its administered by the provinces but Its funded mostly by the federal gov't through direct transfers. You seem to forget that for 15 years we had a Liberal gov't running the show here in Ontario.
 

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Its administered by the provinces but Its funded mostly by the federal gov't through direct transfers. You seem to forget that for 15 years we had a Liberal gov't running the show here in Ontario.
SO why isn't Dougy a Conservative jumping up and down (just stand back if you're too close if he is) screaming at Justin for more health care dollars before Covid, during Covid and probably after Covid? Actually, the opposite, Doug and his government worked hand in hand with Justin and were content with the money flowing in. This isn't being said by me to criticize Doug, I actually thought it was awesome Doug and Justin working together to deal with a pandemic unlike the dumbasses across the border.

NOW prior to Covid, Dougy was a very bad boy


 
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Not true. Our governments spend enough. ...
People criticizing the lack of capacity in health care seem to disagree with you.

One thing I find common among many faux-libertarians is they demand lower taxes from less government but quickly complain when the government isn't providing enough services they need.
 
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NOW prior to Covid, Dougy was a very bad boy


As much as I think Doug should be investigated for pandering to his LTC buddies while their patients were dying off, it's the voters, most of whom knew exactly what his act was who put him in office because they were bored with Liberals.
 
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Of the G7 countries, only Australia and Japan have lower death per capita from C19. US and UK have a 3x higher death rate, France and Germany we beat, even Israel has a higher death rate than Canada.
 

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Of the G7 countries, only Australia and Japan have lower death per capita from C19. US and UK have a 3x higher death rate, France and Germany we beat, even Israel has a higher death rate than Canada.
Where are you getting your data from? I'd really like to know the source. When I look on the Reuters Covid tracker website, Israel has had very few deaths, and Canada much worse per capita.
 

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Where are you getting your data from? I'd really like to know the source. When I look on the Reuters Covid tracker website, Israel has had very few deaths, and Canada much worse per capita.
 

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Where are you getting your data from? I'd really like to know the source. When I look on the Reuters Covid tracker website, Israel has had very few deaths, and Canada much worse per capita.
From Reuters site, Canada has had 846.7 deaths per million while Israel has 918.7
 

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During the first year, Canada was just middle of the pack compared to other G7 countries, but over the last year, we pulled ahead.

Australia and Japan beat the snot out of us but they had much more draconian measures.
 

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From Reuters site, Canada has had 846.7 deaths per million while Israel has 918.7
I'm looking at the same data set. Not interested in how the pandemic has played out over the last two years, just looking to see what's happening now. Last reported date, January 15, Canada has 133 deaths and Israel reports 10. Canada has 38 million citizens, Israel just over 9 million. For four times as large a population, Canada has 13 times as meany deaths.

Much of December, Israel reported 0 deaths, whereas the Canadian rate hovered around 20 or so.

Seems Israel is doing comparatively better.
 

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I'm looking at the same data set. Not interested in how the pandemic has played out over the last two years, just looking to see what's happening now. Last reported date, January 15, Canada has 133 deaths and Israel reports 10. Canada has 38 million citizens, Israel just over 9 million. For four times as large a population, Canada has 13 times as meany deaths.

Much of December, Israel reported 0 deaths, whereas the Canadian rate hovered around 20 or so.

Seems Israel is doing comparatively better.
I get where you're going but Israel started vaccinating much earlier and half their population was boosted before omicron hit them while Canada had barely rolled out boosters so it makes a direct comparison troublesome.
 
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