More people than the millions already projected to get it? Not much and we’re going to experience it real soon. 80% mild or no symptoms.
"Why all the hysteria? Is it a media Hoax? Isnt it just like the flu?"
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It’s all over Africa and South America too, so climate doesn’t appear to stop end.
The hysteria and media induced fear mongering is off the charts this time...people's savings and businesses are becoming toast because of this.
Today CDC reports there have been 4,294 Corona cases in the US with 75 deaths (many in a single nursing home), that is a 1.7% mortality rate for entire population.
American seasonal flu this year since October is at 222,500 confirmed cases and 22,000 deaths, which is a 9.8% mortality rate.
These are confirmed cases only...Estimates are there may be as many as one million cases of seasonal flu in the US this year, which could certainly skew the stats, but of course there could also be more C-19 cases out there that are not reported.
What's interesting is that C-19 primarily attacks the very old with zero under age 9 fatalities reported, where as the flu kills children as well as adults. Don't forget that these stats are in spite of the fact that there is a flu vaccine, and anti-viral meds.
Good chart on the breakdown by age on the C-19 virus:
https://www.worldometers.info/coron...9OsXYW16jM_5l_Q82_T9TE2qJ3S5NJ5O_vIAMHj80ycb0
The CDC in the US keeps interesting flu stats: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm It's all there.
The media induced panic is because people do not get a perspective on the risks and the issue. We have shut the entire province of 14 million people down for a virus that 60 people have that kills mostly eighty years olds.
Is C-19 bad? Yes, of course, and containment precautions should be taken, especially for high risk people. Is it the end of the world and a reason for $2 trillion loss in the stock market? Hell no.
Today CDC reports there have been 4,294 Corona cases in the US with 75 deaths (many in a single nursing home), that is a 1.7% mortality rate for entire population.
American seasonal flu this year since October is at 222,500 confirmed cases and 22,000 deaths, which is a 9.8% mortality rate.
These are confirmed cases only...Estimates are there may be as many as one million cases of seasonal flu in the US this year, which could certainly skew the stats, but of course there could also be more C-19 cases out there that are not reported.
What's interesting is that C-19 primarily attacks the very old with zero under age 9 fatalities reported, where as the flu kills children as well as adults. Don't forget that these stats are in spite of the fact that there is a flu vaccine, and anti-viral meds.
Good chart on the breakdown by age on the C-19 virus:
https://www.worldometers.info/coron...9OsXYW16jM_5l_Q82_T9TE2qJ3S5NJ5O_vIAMHj80ycb0
The CDC in the US keeps interesting flu stats: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm It's all there.
The media induced panic is because people do not get a perspective on the risks and the issue. We have shut the entire province of 14 million people down for a virus that 60 people have that kills mostly eighty years olds.
Is C-19 bad? Yes, of course, and containment precautions should be taken, especially for high risk people. Is it the end of the world and a reason for $2 trillion loss in the stock market? Hell no.
Self-isolate lmao... imagine asking this from the most selfish superficial humans the world has ever known. If you want to contain this thing you need to enlist hardcore methods that China did. Force people to stay locked in. Power wash streets with anti-virus, supply testing and protective gear to everyone. What they’re doing in Italy is also much better than asking people to self-isolate, and for whatever reasons they’re still losing the battle.
You have escorts and parlours... an industry with intimate contact and sharing of bodily juices continuing to work unabated. No uproar about it anywhere on this board lmao. Students at Queen’s university threw their St. Paddy’s party as though no pandemic existed (these are supposedly the best and brightest among us). Are you actually taking this seriously or just venting online? It’s not real to you yet because nobody you know has it, but they will, if trends continue. Get your heads out of your asses. Wishful thinking doesn’t protect you.
You have escorts and parlours... an industry with intimate contact and sharing of bodily juices continuing to work unabated. No uproar about it anywhere on this board lmao. Students at Queen’s university threw their St. Paddy’s party as though no pandemic existed (these are supposedly the best and brightest among us). Are you actually taking this seriously or just venting online? It’s not real to you yet because nobody you know has it, but they will, if trends continue. Get your heads out of your asses. Wishful thinking doesn’t protect you.
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The mortality from the seasonal flu is well studied, and is about 0.1%. The C-19 rate is looking to be 1% to 4%, a factor of at least 10.
If the same number of people in the US get the coronavirus as got the flu, those 22,000 deaths will be 220,000 or more at a 1% mortality rate. Another 15% to 20% of people might need extensive medical care, which will be impossible.
It is irresponsible for people to keep claiming this is no big deal. Measures need to be taken, and those measures are going to interrupt the economy.
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-ne...the-flu-but-they-have-one-big-thing-in-common
Influenza: "The overall cumulative hospitalization rate was 61.6 per 100,000 population which is higher than all recent seasons at this time of year except for the 2017-18 season. Rates in children 0-4 years old and adults 18-49 years old are now the highest CDC has on record for these age groups, surpassing the rate reported during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. Hospitalization rates for school-aged children are higher than any recent regular season but lower than rates during the pandemic. "
This is from the CDC website, and is actually pretty terrible.
My point is that Influenza is being totally ignored by the media, and people are being whipped into a state of global panic and hysteria over the 24/7 C-19 coverage. People need to look at the actual numbers, by age and country, it makes a huge difference from looking at total population aggregate figures.
There needs to be some balance and perspective in the reporting. When I see a map on the news with a huge red circle over Ontario, it looks like the entire population has the virus and not the actual 0.0005%. This is fear mongering, and makes everyone lose their shit.
If you don't believe me, check out the last graph "Mentions in the Media" on this page, and also the fatality rate by country: https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/
This is from the CDC website, and is actually pretty terrible.
My point is that Influenza is being totally ignored by the media, and people are being whipped into a state of global panic and hysteria over the 24/7 C-19 coverage. People need to look at the actual numbers, by age and country, it makes a huge difference from looking at total population aggregate figures.
There needs to be some balance and perspective in the reporting. When I see a map on the news with a huge red circle over Ontario, it looks like the entire population has the virus and not the actual 0.0005%. This is fear mongering, and makes everyone lose their shit.
If you don't believe me, check out the last graph "Mentions in the Media" on this page, and also the fatality rate by country: https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/
I've been saying this all along this is not like the flu. It is extremely contagious, in many cases people are carrying the virus and are in the Incubation period for days and passing on the virus to others without even knowing. I fully expect the numbers in the U.S to keep going up the way they have been in the last 6 days by 15-30% daily. There is no doubt in my mind they will be over 10 000 confirmed cases with 200 hundred dead by this Saturday.
Unfortunately there are people who are spreading a lot of misinformation on both ends of the spectrum (Hysteria & no concern) which is causing others to be misinformed about the facts on this virus.
Posters like Pornaddict who keep posting that we're all gonna die, the numbers are not correct, etc etc etc and have been doing since day one are causing unneeded stress, misinformation, panic and fear amongst people.
Other posters like Grimnul who have been yelling there is nothing to worry about or be concerned about, or only those who are over 80 and those who are under 10 need to be concerned, and if you are in other categories you're not going to die from it etc etc etc and have been doing so since day one are causing people to have a lack of concern or a false sense of comfort and security regarding the virus.
People need to self quarantine themselves so this does not get out of hand, unfortunately some people are more concerned about their own selfish wants rather than the need for community health and safety.
I agree with your points that media is certainly over hyping things and I also agree with you that influenza is downplayed not just now but even prior. The issue remains despite how similar COVID-19 and influenza are in terms of symptoms and fatality (thats debatable) with our current knowledge the population is more at risk from COVID as there is no baseline immunity*. Combine that with the fact that we know COVID has higher transmission rate its a recipe for disaster as a huge portion of people can all be infected at ONCE leading to straining of resources and unnecessary deaths. The ONLY way to prevent that is through social distancing, and unfortunately the only effective method of that is through some panic. We also dont know a lot about COVID whereas with influenza we are very accurate in predicting trajectories and know that it will eventually simmer down on its own. Furthermore more and more evidence is coming is that COVID is actually a different kind of beast. It is in that dangerous zone where its not fatal/severe enough to prevent spread through asymptomatic hosts but virulent enough to still kill alot of people. Now there is an economic impact and that cant be downplayed but as someone who has training in healthcare the saying is you cant put a price on human lives particularly in this magnitude.
*Okay here is a science lesson lol. Pathogens (viruses, bacteria, fungi and even parasites) have things on their surface called antigens. Antigens are substances (almost always proteins) on the surface of these diseases that identifies them to the body, its like an ID badge if you will. Now the body has mechanisms to recognize these antigens and develop immunity to it meaning it can recognize the ID, identify its foreign (this is where autoimmune diseases come into play), and then attack it. That response is mediated by antibodies which are essentially proteins that bind to the antigens. So imagine as if the antigens on the virius surface are a keyhole and the antibodies in our blood are keys floating around once they join that signals the body to come and attack. Okay so this is where it becomes relevant. Influenza are a group of viruses and they all have two types of antigens hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N) surface proteins. SO thats where the H and N comes from. Each season we have one of those types being in "season" or prevenlant. Some years its H2N5 some H3N3 list goes on. Once you get one of those your body develops antibodies to that H and N so if you get the same type again you wont be sick. At any given point and at any given season people have already been exposed to that years virus and therefore have the antibodies or the keys and many have been vaccinated for it which gives them the antibodies. So with influenza the entire population is never susceptible. Now with COVID its a WHOLE new beast. We dont even fully understand the immunity of it. So its safe to say entire population has no antibody. Thats where its dangerous.
Maybe you need it because you are more full of shit. (Couldn't resist. It's like you were a straight man feeding me the set up line.)
Very well said by this physician. Kudos to him for the community outreach. I think what people dont realize is that while there is media hysteria the medical community is generally not alarmist in nature. If you read medical journals frequently there is often a new discovery of a super killer bug or some promising cure for all cancer but the medical community is trained at critical thinking and rarely do you see people alarming everyone unless there is more proof. With COVID there is evidence that without measures shit will hit the fan real quick. We already are seeing it... It appears the experts are united, even locally there was a letter signed by most academic Infectious Disease experts and Public Health physicians in GTA core just sent out urging the government to take evern MORE action. The college and CMPA are now even giving temporary liscences to retired physicians. Postgraduate trainees (Residents) are being prepared to be re-assigned so you may see a plastic surgery resident on the front lines giving treatments for example. But my guess is that if the wave does hit (hopefully it wont due to our measures) the limit wont be in man power but equipment. We simply do not have enough ventilators, and guess who got all the ventilators: CHina, then Italy, then France... they simply cant make them fast enough. We also dont have beds. THe best thing is to create a COVID only hospital. THat needs to be a well resourced center in terms of ICU and in the GTA I can only think of Sunny brook or St Michaels, the UHN hospitals each have unique populations that cant be re-routed. The problem though is the other smaller hospitals cant take on the non-covid load of the big ones like sunnybrook or St. Michaels
Closing for two weeks.... lets be realistic:
Without a vaccine, give this thing a year to see where we're at. It's not going away any time soon, certainly not within two weeks. All it takes is one person to unknowingly spread it and you have dozens of new cases within no time.
Some additional reading
https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea...-covid-19-lockdowns-end-how-long-months-years
https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea...-covid-19-lockdowns-end-how-long-months-years
Hey dick, you might have heard, and most have. But there is still a significant portion of the population that listened to Shitler and think it's an overblown hoax (60% of Repugnantlicans still don't believe it's serious, thanks Faux News). Still too many people shrugging this off. You'd be surprised the number of people who don't actually stay abreast of current affairs.Thank you Captain Obvious . Thank you so much for gracing us with your priceless wisdom, when public health officials been saying this for the last 5 days. Jesus you really are crucial terb member here.
Share the info widely, it's still needed. So brazilianguy, sit down and shut up.
He most certainly insisted up until a week ago that it was either 1. a hoax or 2. under control or 3. would just miraculously disappear. Seriously, sit down and shut up.
You're a complete fucking idiot. With any luck, you'll get it, with compliations. #darwinaward
IT"S NOT THE FUCKING FLU. We have herd immunity built up around the common flu, and vaccines. NO ONE ON EARTH IS IMMUNE TO THIS, as it jumped from animals to humans and is RNA based not DNA...... our bodies don't know how to deal with it. It spreads much faster as a result.
It won't even be just about overwhelming medical facilities with this.... once they are overwhelmed, best not have a serious car accident as you will not likely be given treatment, the ER will not have the stafffing or resources to properly deal with it.
