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It's really weird that society is out there to support medicalization of children but when it comes to helping people fix the mistakes they made? Crickets..

The "helpful" & "inclusively" people - such as some on this forum - do not care one iota because it's politically inconvenient to recognize deTras is a thing.

Why? That would involve recognizing that hey, maybe...social contagion. Nah.

https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/10wisa3
 
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ya, transition regret is a thing. Too bad no one cares 'cause politically inconvenient. Also too bad this young woman has to live with her medical mutilation because no one wanted to listen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/10ual29
Anyone else notice the 'cutting' scars on this young girl? Nah...politically inconvenient to actually see these things going on & recognizing them for what they are.

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It's really weird that society is out there to support medicalization of children but when it comes to helping people fix the mistakes they made? Crickets..

The "helpful" & "inclusively" people - such as some on this forum - do not care one iota because it's politically inconvenient to recognize deTras is a thing.

Why? That would involve recognizing that hey, maybe...social contagion. Nah.

https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/10wisa3
I assume from your post that you have a hard time walking and chewing gum at the same time.

While I have no idea about the accuracy if the stats the fact that some trans people may be autistic does not mean that all trans people are autistic. Likewise with trans people suffering from mental illness etc.

Society must invest more in dealing with mental health and assistance to autistic people and their parents etc. but that had nothing at all to do with respecting the right of trans people to live the lives they choose.
 

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While I have no idea about the accuracy if the stats the fact that some trans people may be autistic does not mean that all trans people are autistic. Likewise with trans people suffering from mental illness etc.
Really? You serious have no idea? YOU TAKE THE POSITION YOU DO AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE DATA BEHIND IT? Are you really serious? Are you an adult? You actually take social positions without investigating the details and actual facts before deciding?
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Wow, just lost a little respect for you. My God man, do you really think stating "I'm inclusive" & "I care" & "respecting the rights" is really sufficient to advocate for something as complex & nuanced as Gender Dysphoria? Let's "respect the rights" of the bulimic while we're at it right?

"does not mean that all trans people are autistic." You really don't know what likelihood, far more common, more likely and probable mean, do you? You think repeating this mantra is a sufficient answer? You really think Affirmation versus Watchful Waiting is a good solution?

Here is some inconvenient information - sometimes called published & peer-reviewed scientific studies & papers - that you're going to ignore.

Children referred to the UK’s largest gender clinic were vastly more likely than average to present with autistic traits.
One study noted that:48% of children and young people who were seen in GIDS and whose parents completed the social responsiveness scale (SRS), a quantitative measure of autistic behaviours in children and young people, scored in the mild to severe range.
Churcher Clarke, A. & Spiliadis, A. (2019). ‘Taking the lid off the box’: The value of extended clinical assessment for adolescents presenting with gender identity difficulties. Clin Child Psychol Psychiatry 24 (2): 338-352.

Obsessive-compulsive traits are more common in people with gender dysphoria.
At least two studieshave found a particular connection between intense interests or repetitive behaviors – associated with autism spectrum disorders – and gender dysphoria.
Zucker, K.J., Nabbijohn, A.N., Santarossa, A., Wood, H., Bradley, S.J., Matthews, J., & VanderLaan, D.P. (2017). Intense/obsessional interests in children with gender dysphoria: a cross-validation study using the Teacher’s Report Form. Child and adolescent psychiatry and mental health 11, 51.
VanderLaan, D.P., Postema, L., Wood, H., Singh, D., Fantus, S., Hyun, J., Leef, J., Bradley, S.J. & Zucker, K.J.. (2015). Do children with gender dysphoria have intense/obsessional interests? J Sex Res. 52 (2): 213-9.


Children with ADHD are far more likely than average to express gender variance. A study on children found that, as compared to non-referred comparisons, participants with ADHD were 6.64 times more likely to express gender variance than participants without ADHD. The study also found that, in cases of ADHD, this gender variance was related to elevated emotional symptoms.
Strang, J.F., Kenworthy, L., Dominska, A., Sokoloff, J., Kenealy, L.E., Berl, M., Walsh, K., Menvielle, E., Slesaransky-Poe, G., Kim, K.E., Luong-Tran, C., Meagher, H. & Wallace, G.L. (2014) Increased gender variance in autism spectrum disorders and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Arch Sex Behav 43 (8): 1525-33.

This finding, from an American campus survey, found that gender minority status was associated with “4.3 times higher odds of having at least 1 mental health problem.”
Lipson, S. K., Raifman, J., Abelson, S. & Reisner, S. L. (2019). Gender Minority Mental Health in the U.S.: Results of a National Survey on College Campuses. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 57 (3): 293-301. [Link]

Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy article notes that “a large percentage of adolescents referred for gender dysphoria have a substantial co-occurring history of psychosocial and psychological vulnerability.
Bechard, M., VanderLaan, D. P., Wood, H., Wasserman, L. & Zucker, K. (2017). Psychosocial and Psychological Vulnerability in Adolescents with Gender Dysphoria: A “Proof of Principle” Study. Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 43 (7).


In a systematic review of individuals diagnosed with gender dysphoria, 53.2% had at least one mental disorder in their lifetime. Such figures substantially exceed prevalence rates of comorbid psychopathology in the general population : a further paper studying hospital encounters found that the prevalence of mental disorder diagnoses was higher in transgender encounters (77%) than in the general population (37.8%).
Zucker, K.J., Lawrence, A.A., Kreukels, B.P. (2016). Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu Rev Clin Psychol. 12: 217-47.
Bishoy, H., Repack, D., Tarang, P., Guirguis, E., Kumar, G. & Sachdeva, R. (2019). Psychiatric disorders in the U.S. transgender population. Annals of Epidemiology 39: 1-7.
Dhejne, C., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., Johansson, A. L. V., Långström, N., & Landén, M. (2011). Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: Cohort study in Sweden. PLoS ONE, 6(2).

A study which compared the medical records of 1333 trans-identified children and adolescents between the ages of 3 and 17 years old with a similar cohort of non-trans-identified children and adolescents showed that 49% of males and 62% of females had depressive disorders.
Becerra-Culqui, T.A. Liu, Y., Nash, R., Cromwell, L., Flanders, W.D., Getahun, D. Giammattei, S.V., Hunkeler, E.M., Lash, T.L., Millman, A., Quinn, V.P., Robinson, B., Roblin, D., Sandberg, D.E., Silverberg, M.J., Tangpricha, V. & Goodman, M. (2018). ‘Mental health of transgender and gender nonconforming youth compared with their peers. Pediatrics 141(5).

In a review of 20 publications, significantly higher rates of eating disorder symptoms were documented in transgender youth (aged between 8 and 25).
Coelho, J., Suen, J., Clark, B., Marshall, S., Geller, J. & Lam, P.-Y. (2019). Eating Disorder Diagnoses and Symptom Presentation in Transgender Youth: a Scoping Review. Current Psychiatry Reports


You really want to do down this path? There are many, many, many more demographic studies for those that suffer from Gender Dysphoria.
 
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You really want to do down this path? There are many, many, many more demographic studies for those that suffer from Gender Dysphoria.
Society is full of people like you that demonize LGBTQ and trans people and you're somehow surprised they have higher rates of depression and anxiety?
 

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Haven't read all the previous posts but wouldn't it make sense to have a completely different category/division for trans people at all sporting events? For example, you would have men's 100 m, women's 100 m, and trans 100 m. Or for the latter you would have two categories: MW trans and WM trans...
 
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Really? You serious have no idea? YOU TAKE THE POSITION YOU DO AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE DATA BEHIND IT? Are you really serious? Are you an adult? You actually take social positions without investigating the details and actual facts before deciding?
View attachment 209393

Wow, just lost a little respect for you. My God man, do you really think stating "I'm inclusive" & "I care" & "respecting the rights" is really sufficient to advocate for something as complex & nuanced as Gender Dysphoria? Let's "respect the rights" of the bulimic while we're at it right?

"does not mean that all trans people are autistic." You really don't know what likelihood, far more common, more likely and probable mean, do you? You think repeating this mantra is a sufficient answer? You really think Affirmation versus Watchful Waiting is a good solution?

Here is some inconvenient information - sometimes called published & peer-reviewed scientific studies & papers - that you're going to ignore.

Children referred to the UK’s largest gender clinic were vastly more likely than average to present with autistic traits.
One study noted that:48% of children and young people who were seen in GIDS and whose parents completed the social responsiveness scale (SRS), a quantitative measure of autistic behaviours in children and young people, scored in the mild to severe range.
Churcher Clarke, A. & Spiliadis, A. (2019). ‘Taking the lid off the box’: The value of extended clinical assessment for adolescents presenting with gender identity difficulties. Clin Child Psychol Psychiatry 24 (2): 338-352.

Obsessive-compulsive traits are more common in people with gender dysphoria.
At least two studieshave found a particular connection between intense interests or repetitive behaviors – associated with autism spectrum disorders – and gender dysphoria.
Zucker, K.J., Nabbijohn, A.N., Santarossa, A., Wood, H., Bradley, S.J., Matthews, J., & VanderLaan, D.P. (2017). Intense/obsessional interests in children with gender dysphoria: a cross-validation study using the Teacher’s Report Form. Child and adolescent psychiatry and mental health 11, 51.
VanderLaan, D.P., Postema, L., Wood, H., Singh, D., Fantus, S., Hyun, J., Leef, J., Bradley, S.J. & Zucker, K.J.. (2015). Do children with gender dysphoria have intense/obsessional interests? J Sex Res. 52 (2): 213-9.


Children with ADHD are far more likely than average to express gender variance. A study on children found that, as compared to non-referred comparisons, participants with ADHD were 6.64 times more likely to express gender variance than participants without ADHD. The study also found that, in cases of ADHD, this gender variance was related to elevated emotional symptoms.
Strang, J.F., Kenworthy, L., Dominska, A., Sokoloff, J., Kenealy, L.E., Berl, M., Walsh, K., Menvielle, E., Slesaransky-Poe, G., Kim, K.E., Luong-Tran, C., Meagher, H. & Wallace, G.L. (2014) Increased gender variance in autism spectrum disorders and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Arch Sex Behav 43 (8): 1525-33.

This finding, from an American campus survey, found that gender minority status was associated with “4.3 times higher odds of having at least 1 mental health problem.”
Lipson, S. K., Raifman, J., Abelson, S. & Reisner, S. L. (2019). Gender Minority Mental Health in the U.S.: Results of a National Survey on College Campuses. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 57 (3): 293-301. [Link]

Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy article notes that “a large percentage of adolescents referred for gender dysphoria have a substantial co-occurring history of psychosocial and psychological vulnerability.
Bechard, M., VanderLaan, D. P., Wood, H., Wasserman, L. & Zucker, K. (2017). Psychosocial and Psychological Vulnerability in Adolescents with Gender Dysphoria: A “Proof of Principle” Study. Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 43 (7).


In a systematic review of individuals diagnosed with gender dysphoria, 53.2% had at least one mental disorder in their lifetime. Such figures substantially exceed prevalence rates of comorbid psychopathology in the general population : a further paper studying hospital encounters found that the prevalence of mental disorder diagnoses was higher in transgender encounters (77%) than in the general population (37.8%).
Zucker, K.J., Lawrence, A.A., Kreukels, B.P. (2016). Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu Rev Clin Psychol. 12: 217-47.
Bishoy, H., Repack, D., Tarang, P., Guirguis, E., Kumar, G. & Sachdeva, R. (2019). Psychiatric disorders in the U.S. transgender population. Annals of Epidemiology 39: 1-7.
Dhejne, C., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., Johansson, A. L. V., Långström, N., & Landén, M. (2011). Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: Cohort study in Sweden. PLoS ONE, 6(2).

A study which compared the medical records of 1333 trans-identified children and adolescents between the ages of 3 and 17 years old with a similar cohort of non-trans-identified children and adolescents showed that 49% of males and 62% of females had depressive disorders.
Becerra-Culqui, T.A. Liu, Y., Nash, R., Cromwell, L., Flanders, W.D., Getahun, D. Giammattei, S.V., Hunkeler, E.M., Lash, T.L., Millman, A., Quinn, V.P., Robinson, B., Roblin, D., Sandberg, D.E., Silverberg, M.J., Tangpricha, V. & Goodman, M. (2018). ‘Mental health of transgender and gender nonconforming youth compared with their peers. Pediatrics 141(5).

In a review of 20 publications, significantly higher rates of eating disorder symptoms were documented in transgender youth (aged between 8 and 25).
Coelho, J., Suen, J., Clark, B., Marshall, S., Geller, J. & Lam, P.-Y. (2019). Eating Disorder Diagnoses and Symptom Presentation in Transgender Youth: a Scoping Review. Current Psychiatry Reports


You really want to do down this path? There are many, many, many more demographic studies for those that suffer from Gender Dysphoria.
I said I have no idea about the accuracy of the stats you produced. Unless you had some way to verify the same would be true if you.

In any event 5he science is clear and that is that there are some people who are misgendered and those are not people who are autistic or suffering from some mental health issue.

Totally apart from that why are you and your friends obsessed with how others live their lives. You are supposed to be 5he party of individual liberty etc. What harm is there to you if I chose to live as a woman or non-binary etc.
 
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mandrill

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Really? You serious have no idea? YOU TAKE THE POSITION YOU DO AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE DATA BEHIND IT? Are you really serious? Are you an adult? You actually take social positions without investigating the details and actual facts before deciding?
View attachment 209393

Wow, just lost a little respect for you. My God man, do you really think stating "I'm inclusive" & "I care" & "respecting the rights" is really sufficient to advocate for something as complex & nuanced as Gender Dysphoria? Let's "respect the rights" of the bulimic while we're at it right?

"does not mean that all trans people are autistic." You really don't know what likelihood, far more common, more likely and probable mean, do you? You think repeating this mantra is a sufficient answer? You really think Affirmation versus Watchful Waiting is a good solution?

Here is some inconvenient information - sometimes called published & peer-reviewed scientific studies & papers - that you're going to ignore.

Children referred to the UK’s largest gender clinic were vastly more likely than average to present with autistic traits.
One study noted that:48% of children and young people who were seen in GIDS and whose parents completed the social responsiveness scale (SRS), a quantitative measure of autistic behaviours in children and young people, scored in the mild to severe range.
Churcher Clarke, A. & Spiliadis, A. (2019). ‘Taking the lid off the box’: The value of extended clinical assessment for adolescents presenting with gender identity difficulties. Clin Child Psychol Psychiatry 24 (2): 338-352.

Obsessive-compulsive traits are more common in people with gender dysphoria.
At least two studieshave found a particular connection between intense interests or repetitive behaviors – associated with autism spectrum disorders – and gender dysphoria.
Zucker, K.J., Nabbijohn, A.N., Santarossa, A., Wood, H., Bradley, S.J., Matthews, J., & VanderLaan, D.P. (2017). Intense/obsessional interests in children with gender dysphoria: a cross-validation study using the Teacher’s Report Form. Child and adolescent psychiatry and mental health 11, 51.
VanderLaan, D.P., Postema, L., Wood, H., Singh, D., Fantus, S., Hyun, J., Leef, J., Bradley, S.J. & Zucker, K.J.. (2015). Do children with gender dysphoria have intense/obsessional interests? J Sex Res. 52 (2): 213-9.


Children with ADHD are far more likely than average to express gender variance. A study on children found that, as compared to non-referred comparisons, participants with ADHD were 6.64 times more likely to express gender variance than participants without ADHD. The study also found that, in cases of ADHD, this gender variance was related to elevated emotional symptoms.
Strang, J.F., Kenworthy, L., Dominska, A., Sokoloff, J., Kenealy, L.E., Berl, M., Walsh, K., Menvielle, E., Slesaransky-Poe, G., Kim, K.E., Luong-Tran, C., Meagher, H. & Wallace, G.L. (2014) Increased gender variance in autism spectrum disorders and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Arch Sex Behav 43 (8): 1525-33.

This finding, from an American campus survey, found that gender minority status was associated with “4.3 times higher odds of having at least 1 mental health problem.”
Lipson, S. K., Raifman, J., Abelson, S. & Reisner, S. L. (2019). Gender Minority Mental Health in the U.S.: Results of a National Survey on College Campuses. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 57 (3): 293-301. [Link]

Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy article notes that “a large percentage of adolescents referred for gender dysphoria have a substantial co-occurring history of psychosocial and psychological vulnerability.
Bechard, M., VanderLaan, D. P., Wood, H., Wasserman, L. & Zucker, K. (2017). Psychosocial and Psychological Vulnerability in Adolescents with Gender Dysphoria: A “Proof of Principle” Study. Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 43 (7).


In a systematic review of individuals diagnosed with gender dysphoria, 53.2% had at least one mental disorder in their lifetime. Such figures substantially exceed prevalence rates of comorbid psychopathology in the general population : a further paper studying hospital encounters found that the prevalence of mental disorder diagnoses was higher in transgender encounters (77%) than in the general population (37.8%).
Zucker, K.J., Lawrence, A.A., Kreukels, B.P. (2016). Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu Rev Clin Psychol. 12: 217-47.
Bishoy, H., Repack, D., Tarang, P., Guirguis, E., Kumar, G. & Sachdeva, R. (2019). Psychiatric disorders in the U.S. transgender population. Annals of Epidemiology 39: 1-7.
Dhejne, C., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., Johansson, A. L. V., Långström, N., & Landén, M. (2011). Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: Cohort study in Sweden. PLoS ONE, 6(2).

A study which compared the medical records of 1333 trans-identified children and adolescents between the ages of 3 and 17 years old with a similar cohort of non-trans-identified children and adolescents showed that 49% of males and 62% of females had depressive disorders.
Becerra-Culqui, T.A. Liu, Y., Nash, R., Cromwell, L., Flanders, W.D., Getahun, D. Giammattei, S.V., Hunkeler, E.M., Lash, T.L., Millman, A., Quinn, V.P., Robinson, B., Roblin, D., Sandberg, D.E., Silverberg, M.J., Tangpricha, V. & Goodman, M. (2018). ‘Mental health of transgender and gender nonconforming youth compared with their peers. Pediatrics 141(5).

In a review of 20 publications, significantly higher rates of eating disorder symptoms were documented in transgender youth (aged between 8 and 25).
Coelho, J., Suen, J., Clark, B., Marshall, S., Geller, J. & Lam, P.-Y. (2019). Eating Disorder Diagnoses and Symptom Presentation in Transgender Youth: a Scoping Review. Current Psychiatry Reports


You really want to do down this path? There are many, many, many more demographic studies for those that suffer from Gender Dysphoria.
What's your point?

That people with gender dysphoria are likely to have - or to report - other mental health issues?.... Isn't that non relevant, unless you're trying to argue that they're all so "screwed up" that their complaints about gender dysphoria can be ignored because "they're crazy anyway!"
 

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But isn't your problem that the APA - and presumably the other national PA's - support and recommend this and the student reps and university admins support it as well?

Which means they accept what the APA recommends. And the APA are the experts in psychiatric health. Because they're the APA.

What is your expertise and standing to challenge this, aside from some anecdotal evidence and the fact you don't like it?
 

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Of course it would. And that's why they won't do it. They prefer a world that doesn't make sense all in the name of faux virtue.
But again, the APA recommends this and the APA is the expert body in psych health in the USA. Where is the "faux virtue" in doing what the leading mental health professional organization in your country recommends?

Isn't the same argument that all the people who wore masks to the grocery store during COVID are faux virtuators as well because they did what the infectious disease doctors told them to do?
 
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