Trump the Great?

danmand

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Trump: An Assessment
September 27, 2018 nt

Trump the Great?

Paul Craig Roberts

I supported Trump for president for three reasons:

Trump was the only candidate who recognized the need to normalize relations with Russia and bring a halt to the reckless orchestration of conflict with a major nuclear power.

Trump was the only candidate who recognized the need to restore high productivity, high value added jobs to the American workforce.

Trump was the only candidate who spoke to the American people instead of to the organized interest groups of the ruling elite.

My concern was that Trump did not know Washington and did not know who to appoint to help him achieve these goals.

Trump was unaware of the extent of the threat that his agenda posed to the military/security complex, US global corporations, and the ruling oligarchy. Normalizing relations with Russia would put in question the $1,000 billion annual budget, and the power that goes with it, of the military/security complex. Bringing home the offshored jobs would raise the labor cost of US global corporations and cut the “performance bonuses” of the executive class. Speaking directly to the American people raised the specter of a populist revolt against the ruling oligarchy. These are too many enemies for a president who did not know how to staff his administration, and Trump has paid the price.

The fake charges that comprise “Russiagate,” orchestrated by CIA director John Brennan, implemented by highly partisan Democratic operatives in the FBI and by Trump’s own Deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein, and ridden hard by the Democrats and the presstitutes, prevented Trump from normalizing relations with Russia.

Bad economic advice, whether innocent or intentional, misfocused Trump’s attention from the problem of jobs offshoring to tarrifs, with the consequence that he has a trade war and rising prices for Americans in place of the return of their jobs.

The ruling oligarchs have decided to make an example of Trump so that no future presidential candidate makes the mistake of speaking directly to the American people.

Trump was our last chance, and it appears that he is going down.

Trump’s Middle Eastern policy is in the hands of Trump’s Zionist son-in-law and Netanyahu. The result is escalated tensions with Russia, with Israel causing the destruction of a Russian Air Force crew and plane, with the Trump regime threatening Syrian and Russian forces with attack if any attempt is made to liberate Syria’s last province occupied by Washington’s army of terrorists, with Trump unilaterally pulling out of the Iran Nuclear Treaty, with Trump abandoning his intent to remove US forces from the Middle East, with Trump’s crazed neoconservative National Security Adviser John Bolton issuing audacious threats to Iran and to Russia, with Trump moving the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and with Trump cutting off all aid to the Palestinians who are in front of our eyes experiencing genocide at the hands of US-supported Israel.

I could go on, but you get the picture.

The Trump regime is either so incompetent or so intent on war that it does not understand that Russia cannot permit the US/Israeli destabilization of Iran any more than Russia can permit the US/Israeli destabilization of Syria. The crazed Bolton’s threats against Iran are direct threats to Russia’s national interests. The president who was going to improve relations with Russia has worsened them beyond the capability of Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Victoria Nuland.

Now I will be my own devil’s advocate. When Trump saw how boxed in he was by the material interests of the ruling oligarchy, he decided to finish off Washington’s already diminishing influence. He appointed Nikki Haley as US ambassador to the UN, where she has done a supurb job of alienating every country in the world. Trump has infuriated Europe with tariffs, sanction threats, and orders to Germany not to go forward with the Russian/German natural gas pipeline. Trump followed up by treating the UN Security Council on September 26 as Washington’s footstool. Trump with threats and sanctions is driving Turkey, Iran, India, China, and North Korea into Russia’s arms, and he is driving Europe into independence. In a stroke of genius, Trump, despite his thoroughly neoconservative regime, is destroying Washington’s hegemony.

We might never know whether this result is an unintended consequence of arrogance and hubris or whether it is a clever strategy. But if it turns out the way it seems to be heading, Trump will go down in history as Trump the Great, the man who saved the world by dismantling American hegemony.
 

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yup he is blowing the mofo up. Best for Canada to move on and realign with Europe. I dunno whether Trump is a genius or an utter retard. Perhaps he feels he can only make America great by completely blowing the status quo to smithereens. People love voting for change, but they really hate change. People are idiots.
 

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yup he is blowing the mofo up. Best for Canada to move on and realign with Europe. I dunno whether Trump is a genius or an utter retard. Perhaps he feels he can only make America great by completely blowing the status quo to smithereens. People love voting for change, but they really hate change. People are idiots.
What would you sell Europe, maple syrup and soft wood? They are not going to import your auto parts, you sold them your passenger plane for $1, you can’t refine or ship your own oil. You are a captive economic colony of the US, it’s time you recognize the reality on the ground.
 

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What would you sell Europe, maple syrup and soft wood? They are not going to import your auto parts, you sold them your passenger plane for $1, you can’t refine or ship your own oil. You are a captive economic colony of the US, it’s time you recognize the reality on the ground.
We sold 50% of the passanger plane for $1. We are somewhat cornered, but not entirely. The transition can happen but it will take time. In the meantime Canada will have to grow up, QUICKLY.
 

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It all depends how one measures the "greatness". If security and prosperity of citizenry are the criteria, Trump surely has a case. However, we should wait until at least the final two years of his second term before jumping to conclusions.
 

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Trump is taking the US back to a time when it was isolationist. That means that the rest of the world, ex-US, will have to start doing things without Americans as an assumed participant. This will actually lessen the security of the US as they move from being an economic driver for global growth, to a powerhouse - but an isolated one while other countries figure out a way to grow without them. For some bizarre reason, Trump and his supporters think that is a good result. Eg: Trump thinks that he has China over a barrel. And they ARE hurting. But if he thinks they're going to come begging on their knees then he knows nothing about China. Trump is making a lot of enemies for the US and that is NOT a good thing in the long run.

Trump supporters always point to Trumps supposed business background as an excuse for his tactics. But he's NOT a business man (at least not a successful one). He's a successful celebrity. He's running the US like he's negotiating another casino bankruptcy and the world are his suppliers and contractors (i.e. "marks" to be stiffed). He's trying to stiff everyone and walk out a winner. You only have to look at Atlantic City to see the results.

Bottom line and what people continue to ignore is that the US growth and "success" post Trump is largely the result of tax cuts financed by record deficits. Alone, this supply side economic policy might work out. But throw in Tariffs and trade wars, and isolationist tactics and that negates all the "supply side" theories. So the markets and growth continue to rise - financed by $Trillion deficits - but these will now be squeezed by stupid tariff wars that will hurt the US, raise inflation and stifle the growth that's on borrowed money. It is CLASSIC TRUMP. Borrow out the wazoo, use that borrowed money to spend and create the illusion of success. Brag excessively about this "success". Skip town when the bill comes due. High inflation, driven by tariff induced higher prices - wage pressures from low unemployment AND the need to borrow $Trillions - EVERY year for the next decade makes you wonder what will happen if there is a downward blip OR some incident that sparks a crisis. In the stock market world we would call the US: "Priced for perfection". That means you can ride the wave up, but if you're not really, really careful - you will be caught in the reality whenever it hits. I'm not going to lie - Trump has been very good for me personally as well as my company. But we're all protected for any downturn because IF it comes - it will be fast and ruthless. So be careful out there and don't get lost in your Tump cheerleading because you're cheering a dangerous fool.
 

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What would you sell Europe, maple syrup and soft wood? They are not going to import your auto parts, you sold them your passenger plane for $1, you can’t refine or ship your own oil. You are a captive economic colony of the US, it’s time you recognize the reality on the ground.
Apparently we've been cleverly and covertly taking advantage of the poor US for many years. Sorry. :wave:
 

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Trump has said repeatedly he’s pro trade, he simply wants a better deal. Most countries have been granted more open access to the US market than the US has to those countries. He’s using the US leverage to get a better deal. Any other read is juvenile.
 

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Trump has said repeatedly he’s pro trade, he simply wants a better deal. Most countries have been granted more open access to the US market than the US has to those countries. He’s using the US leverage to get a better deal. Any other read is juvenile.
Well yes in some cases that is true, but not all cases. Rather then use his dumb ass bully tactics, why does he not just press for WTO reform? Well because it will be balanced. He has shown he will break US trade laws so why should anyone trust in goodwill and fairness. He is alienating US strategic partners, and we are JUST starting to see the blowback from that....there is gonna be hell to pay, and it will be the US that will pay.
 

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Well yes in some cases that is true, but not all cases. Rather then use his dumb ass bully tactics, why does he not just press for WTO reform? Well because it will be balanced. He has shown he will break US trade laws so why should anyone trust in goodwill and fairness. He is alienating US strategic partners, and we are JUST starting to see the blowback from that....there is gonna be hell to pay, and it will be the US that will pay.
We have massive leverage, frankly I’m strongly in favor of using it to the benefit of our citizens. That’s consistent with how other countries act.
 

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We have massive leverage, frankly I’m strongly in favor of using it to the benefit of our citizens. That’s consistent with how other countries act.
Good luck!
 

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Apparently we've been cleverly and covertly taking advantage of the poor US for many years. Sorry. :wave:
LOL! Exactly. Poor Trump and the US. Bragging about how well they are doing but always the hapless "victim". It's shocking how often Trump gets away with treating his own supporters as idiots. Or maybe it's telling.
 

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We have massive leverage, frankly I’m strongly in favor of using it to the benefit of our citizens. That’s consistent with how other countries act.

Leverage is a short term thing. If you use it too much, people will be sure to do their best to take it away. That is already underway. The US is no longer viewed as a dependable ally, just another self intersted country. A new leadership structure will emerge. Maybe its better, who knows. If you act like all the other countries then you are just another country. The technological lead of the US is gonna evaporate pretty quickly, that is what the real panic is about. If you look how fast and far China has come is a short time, its quite stunning. I cannot really recall a time when US leadership was so disrepespected and the EU sided with Russia and China to actively oppose US foreign policy. Its not to the benefit of your citizens. Tariffs are gonna increase prices and be retliated against. In the end the US will be poorer. The world will trade and the US will close itself off.
 
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