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Comparing Islam and Christianity
Muhammad...Jesus...
Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)​
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)​
"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"

(Muslim 1:33)​
"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."

(Matthew 26:52)​
Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)​
"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)​
Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)​
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)​
Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)​
Neither owned nor traded slaves.​
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)​
Beheaded no one.​
Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)​
Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)​
"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)​
"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)​
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)​
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)​
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)​
Was celibate.​
Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)​
Did not have sex with children.​
Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)​
Never harmed a woman.​
"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."

(Quran 9:123)​
"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."

(Matthew 5:5)​
Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )​
Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.
Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)​
Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.​
Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24)​
Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.​
Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41)​
"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."

(Matthew 20:28)​
Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)​
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.​
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)​
"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"

(Matthew 5:44)​
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)​
Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)​
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)​
Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)​
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)​
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)​
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102)​
Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)​
Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.​
Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.​
Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)​
Was crucified himself.​
According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)​
According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)​
 
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Leimonis

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Comparing Islam and Christianity
Muhammad...Jesus...
Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)​
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)​
"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"

(Muslim 1:33)​
"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."

(Matthew 26:52)​
Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)​
"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)​
Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)​
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)​
Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)​
Neither owned nor traded slaves.​
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)​
Beheaded no one.​
Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)​
Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)​
"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)​
"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)​
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)​
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)​
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)​
Was celibate.​
Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)​
Did not have sex with children.​
Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)​
Never harmed a woman.​
"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."

(Quran 9:123)​
"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."

(Matthew 5:5)​
Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )​
Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.​
Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)​
Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.​
Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24)​
Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.​
Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41)​
"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."

(Matthew 20:28)​
Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)​
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.​
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)​
"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"

(Matthew 5:44)​
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)​
Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)​
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)​
Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)​
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)​
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)​
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102)​
Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)​
Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.​
Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.​
Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)​
Was crucified himself.​
According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)​
According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)​
Based on that I think Donald trump is Muslim
 
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danmand

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Islam can't be all that great when so many people (some drowning in the attempt) are trying to escape Muslim countries.
When they are being bombed by Christian countries?
 

oil&gas

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Comparing Islam and Christianity
Muhammad...Jesus...
Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)​
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)​
"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"

(Muslim 1:33)​
"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."

(Matthew 26:52)​
Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)​
"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)​
Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)​
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)​
Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)​
Neither owned nor traded slaves.​
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)​
Beheaded no one.​
Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)​
Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)​
"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)​
"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)​
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)​
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)​
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)​
Was celibate.​
Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)​
Did not have sex with children.​
Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)​
Never harmed a woman.​
"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."

(Quran 9:123)​
"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."

(Matthew 5:5)​
Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )​
Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.​
Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)​
Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.​
Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24)​
Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.​
Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41)​
"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."

(Matthew 20:28)​
Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)​
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.​
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)​
"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"

(Matthew 5:44)​
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)​
Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)​
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)​
Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)​
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)​
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)​
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102)​
Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)​
Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.​
Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.​
Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)​
Was crucified himself.​
According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)​
According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)​
Did Muhammad preach what Jesus taught about the punishment of
eternal torment awaiting those who rejected the teaching of Christ?
 
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mandrill

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Islam was founded by a warlord and the Qu'ran preaches invasions and forced conversions.
Richard the Lionheart, the legendary crusader king of England says: "Hold my beer." Or mead or whatever he drank.

So does Francisco Pizarro. And how about that Spanish Inquisition torturing Jews and Muslims until they agreed to convert?

And how about all those Southern slave-owners in Virginia making all their human chattels go to church and renounce their African religions?

You picked another really silly hill to die on, Dartsy. I'm still waiting for your explanation of why libtards think dog-owning is racist.
 
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mandrill

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Islam can't be all that great when so many people (some drowning in the attempt) are trying to escape Muslim countries.
But every rightie that I've talked to insists that this is simply "economic migration" and they're not really refugees. Ask Dutch? He's big on this topic.

And in any event "overly tolerant" Western society allows them to build as many mosques as they want in the UK, or France or Germany or Canada. So they're really not fleeing Islam, are they?

Tell me about the dog owners, Darts?
 
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mandrill

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Depends how you view the Old Testament, I guess. Invasions recommended there. More slaughters than forced conversions, though.
Sodom and Gomorrah for sure. Damned gays!
 

oil&gas

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Did Jesus even teach that?
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
[Matthew 13:41--43]

Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.
[Mark 3:28--29]

And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.
[Mark 9:45--48]
 
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Darts

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Richard the Lionheart, the legendary crusader king of England says: "Hold my beer." Or mead or whatever he drank.

So does Francisco Pizarro. And how about that Spanish Inquisition torturing Jews and Muslims until they agreed to convert?

And how about all those Southern slave-owners in Virginia making all their human chattels go to church and renounce their African religions?

Try to stay in the 21st century if you can. If you must go back a hundreds or more years, the Muslim invasion killed at least 80 million people. The Armenian genocide killed over 1.5 million people. Should we go on?

You picked another really silly hill to die on, Dartsy. I'm still waiting for your explanation of why libtards think dog-owning is racist.
Have no clue of what you speak. I only know that Muslims consider dogs dirty. So, what are these liberals up to now?
Afghanistan is already descending into civil war even before the U.S.completes its pullout. Young Afghan women are already fearful of falling back into a repressive society again.
 

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And in any event "overly tolerant" Western society allows them to build as many mosques as they want in the UK, or France or Germany or Canada. So they're really not fleeing Islam, are they?
Are you proposing reducing the number of mosques?
 

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Afghanistan is already descending into civil war even before the U.S.completes its pullout. Young Afghan women are already fearful of falling back into a repressive society again.
Afghanistan has been in war for the last 20 years.
Its hardly been a beacon of democracy and human rights under American rule.
 

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You'd call Franklin Graham a fake christian? If true, his late
father would be rolling in his grave.
No true Christian with an IQ above 60 would support Trump. So take your pick... is he stupid or fake?
 

Leimonis

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The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
[Matthew 13:41--43]

Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.
[Mark 3:28--29]

And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.
[Mark 9:45--48]
here is something I don't understand. Some people actually witnessed Christ coming back from dead. So it was easy for those people to decide to follow Christ teachings and not sin etc because they had an all-important actual proof of life after death.
But then other people like us were born way later and did not get to see shit but we are asked to believe it or die in hell. Well why the fucking thing was not documented properly or something?
 

oil&gas

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No true Christian with an IQ above 60 would support Trump. So take your pick... is he stupid or fake?
Politics dictate that most if not all evangelical Christians
would support only a Republican president and want to see
the demise of the Democrats.
 

oil&gas

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here is something I don't understand. Some people actually witnessed Christ coming back from dead.
Historically the Christian Church was founded by Paul the Apostle who
never met Christ. Paul did mention in the New Testament as many as
500 witnesses saw Jesus after crucifixion but none of them were identified.
Also note that before the resurrection Jesus already performed the miracle
of bringing back to life Lazarus of Bethany four days after his death. Nothing
was mentioned about people who witnessed this miracle came to accept Jesus
as God.
 

jcpro

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Historically the Christian Church was founded by Paul the Apostle who
never met Christ. Paul did mention in the New Testament as many as
500 witnesses saw Jesus after crucifixion but none of them were identified.
Also note that before the resurrection Jesus already performed the miracle
of bringing back to life Lazarus of Bethany four days after his death. Nothing
was mentioned about people who witnessed this miracle came to accept Jesus
as God.
I'm not a Christian, obviously, but I've read a lot about Christianity, the Gospels, etc. To be honest I found them anti-semitic, not written by people with knowledge of their supposed surroundings, times and laws. Be that as it may, the interesting part of the resurrection story is the theme of Jesus not being recognized by his followers and hangers on. The Christian theologians explained it in a couple of different ways, but the premise of the resurrection is the resurrection of the body- the same body that was crucified by the Romans(not Jews). I found that perplexing and quite strange.
 
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