Ford’s Reduced COVID-19 School Funds Pushing Up Toronto Catholic Class Sizes, Putting Students At Risk, Teachers Warn
Reduced funding means up to 31 kids in some elementary classes
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Education is the largest recipient of tax dollars in Ontario.
If they're out of money, it's because they are wasting money elsewhere.
Knowing how various government agencies work, they always cut where the public will notice the most and hence scream the loudest. Oldest trick in the civil service empire builders book.
I'm sure that if Ford called in the auditors, they could find plenty of places to cut to funding that no-one would ever miss and then some.
Anyone who thinks this has no business telling anybody anything remotely related to education.Residential schools were just boarding schools.
Our children deserve the best education we can give them, teachers deserve every cent they get, and no money is not infinite but every time some politician wants to cut costs they go after out childrens education which does bode well for the future. Duggy has always had a hard on for teachers because he's an ignorant, uneducated slobThe average starting salary of a teacher in Ontario is the same as the average salary of all of Ontario (not starting, but overall!). This nearly doubles after 15 years of experience. And that's not taking into account very generous benefits and pension.
Money is not an infinite resource, and tough decisions have to be made. Maybe consider how overpaid our teachers are before blaming Dougie alone, eh?
And with the other big ticket of health care is one of the most significant to society.Education is the largest recipient of tax dollars in Ontario.
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Yes, but you're robbing Peter to pay Paul, always. I'd say our kids deserve the best medical care we can give them too, the best daycare, the best dental and eyecare. But the fact remains we are spending more than we have, and while there's plenty of slop we could tighten up (and should), the biggest drain in education is those teacher salaries. If you want to make meaningful change, that's where it has to happen. At the very least those pay rates need to be frozen for many years to allow our GDP (and tax collection) to catch up to the point where we can afford them. That, of course, won't happen, and so we'll continue to have less money to spend on the services we need, and people will keep screaming for more indebted spending, and the spiral worsens. Can't fix it when most of the public doesn't understand why there's no money.Our children deserve the best education we can give them, teachers deserve every cent they get, and no money is not infinite but every time some politician wants to cut costs they go after out childrens education which does bode well for the future. Duggy has always had a hard on for teachers because he's an ignorant, uneducated slob
Between Health Care and Education, I believe that together they total about 85% of the budget of the province of Ontario. With such a large amount of money comes a hell of a lot of responsibility with respect to oversight.And with the other big ticket of health care is one of the most significant to society.
As has been reported, Ford has been sitting on covid relief funds sent by the feds and with elementary schools being one of the few remaining mass gatherings of unvaccinated people, it makes sense to spend those covid funds on it. If they don't want to use that money to reduce the size of those daily gatherings, they should at least be doing weekly testing at the schools.
Ah yes the old, "if you don't agree with me, you need to keep your mouth shut" outlook.Anyone who thinks this has no business telling anybody anything remotely related to education.
Well, since the only type of people here who agree with you are posters like contact, cantaro, jcpro, dutch oven, and their ilk, and the people who agree with me are; the entire country, seems like your views don’t align with true Canadian values.Ah yes the old, "if you don't agree with me, you need to keep your mouth shut" outlook.
How tolerant.
Well, you could always advocate for the Catholic school to take over all of education, since you think the residential schools were the right decision.Ah yes the old, "if you don't agree with me, you need to keep your mouth shut" outlook.
How tolerant.
On teacher salaries, your math is wrong so lets correct it. Starting salary ranges from 51k to 55k and that’s if you have 5-6 years education and its your first career. It then increases per annum by 7% and maxes out at team years, There is one more slot on the grid but for you to start there you must be entering from a different career or have at least 8 year education. This is only if your are hired out of the gate. Usually there are 3-4 years of supply teaching, where you don‘t move up the grid and divide the starting salary by 194 (days in the school year) and that’s what you are paid each day. If you get an LTO you do move up the grid proportionately to the work done. Often during this time teachers take extra training to reach the top of the grid, minimum of three extra courses but most teaches take more increase their chances of hire, (the equivilent of .66 to 2 more years of university or trades will work too). Then you get hired. After 6-8 years of education and 3-4 years working without benefits making good money ($250 a day when you get the all). You get to start at 57K if you were smart and kept educating yourself. There are unicorns that meet the needs of the school board, that might get hired right away, but currently those are few. Tell me another job that expects that, and pays less?The average starting salary of a teacher in Ontario is the same as the average salary of all of Ontario (not starting, but overall!). This nearly doubles after 15 years of experience. And that's not taking into account very generous benefits and pension.
Money is not an infinite resource, and tough decisions have to be made. Maybe consider how overpaid our teachers are before blaming Dougie alone, eh?
As should every government expenditure. I would rather rely on experts to determine the criteria for expenditure rather than someone who feels experienced because they once went to a school or sat in an ER.Between Health Care and Education, I believe that together they total about 85% of the budget of the province of Ontario. With such a large amount of money comes a hell of a lot of responsibility with respect to oversight.
If you had an kind of a memory, you'd know that I don't trust ANY religious organization.Well, you could always advocate for the Catholic school to take over all of education, since you think the residential schools were the right decision.
I'm sure that solves our education issues and could build a generation of people who think like you.
I always question the narrative and I'm a big believer in the right of free speech even though some people will perceive it to be disrespectful. I realize that in doing so, I risk offending people, especially sensitive people. But last time I checked, it's not against the law (yet) to offend people so pull your helmet on tight. It would be very easy of me to jump on the navel gazing bandwagon that hates Canada, wants to keep the flag at half mast forever and feels the need to apologize continuously, but I won't do it. It would seem that today it has become en-vogue to harshly judge yesterday's leaders by today's woke cultural ideals. We look at great men like John A McDonald, the father of this country as somehow akin to a Canadian Hitler. He built a country through the sheer force of will. Hammering a square peg in a round hole with a 50 ton press as they say. He took a bunch of different groups of people with disparate viewpoints and and melded them together despite their differences to form the greatest country in the world. I suspect that he was quite a ruthless man who understood that in order to build a country you need to piss a few people off and most definitely not everyone was going to go home with a ribbon. Even Pierre Trudeau understood (and I agree with him) that you can't have different laws in the same country for different people. Just like PET didn't believe in Quebec being deemed a "distinct society" with its own preferential set of laws, he didn't believe in 2 parallel cultures in the same geographical space. (And I agree with him on that too. It just won't work and we are seeing proof of that today.) And as Pierre Trudeau, a man I consider to have been one of Canada's greatest Prime Ministers once said, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, "Whether or not there has been 100 years of injustice is irrelevant. I will not apologize for the past, only learn from it and do better" I firmly believe this as well.Well, since the only type of people here who agree with you are posters like contact, cantaro, jcpro, dutch oven, and their ilk, and the people who agree with me are; the entire country, seems like your views don’t align with true Canadian values.
So yeah, when you spout off saying something as dumb as you did, you should probably keep it to yourself or at least to your alt-right chat blog or whatever you guys use these days.
I have no idea how you came up with that one based on what I said. Especially since I believe I was agreeing with your statement.As should every government expenditure. I would rather rely on experts to determine the criteria for expenditure rather than someone who feels experienced because they once went to a school or sat in an ER.
Neither do I, but you were arguing they were the best choice in another thread.If you had an kind of a memory, you'd know that I don't trust ANY religious organization.
Make no mistake, I am in no means offended by any previous statements you made and am 100% behind everyone’s right to freedom of expression (freedom of speech is an American right). I may have been a bit harsh with my “you have no business…” statement, and could have worded it much better.I always question the narrative and I'm a big believer in the right of free speech even though some people will perceive it to be disrespectful. I realize that in doing so, I risk offending people, especially sensitive people. But last time I checked, it's not against the law (yet) to offend people so pull your helmet on tight. It would be very easy of me to jump on the navel gazing bandwagon that hates Canada, wants to keep the flag at half mast forever and feels the need to apologize continuously, but I won't do it. It would seem that today it has become en-vogue to harshly judge yesterday's leaders by today's woke cultural ideals. We look at great men like John A McDonald, the father of this country as somehow akin to a Canadian Hitler. He built a country through the sheer force of will. Hammering a square peg in a round hole with a 50 ton press as they say. He took a bunch of different groups of people with disparate viewpoints and and melded them together despite their differences to form the greatest country in the world. I suspect that he was quite a ruthless man who understood that in order to build a country you need to piss a few people off and most definitely not everyone was going to go home with a ribbon. Even Pierre Trudeau understood (and I agree with him) that you can't have different laws in the same country for different people. Just like PET didn't believe in Quebec being deemed a "distinct society" with its own preferential set of laws, he didn't believe in 2 parallel cultures in the same geographical space. (And I agree with him on that too. It just won't work and we are seeing proof of that today.) And as Pierre Trudeau, a man I consider to have been one of Canada's greatest Prime Ministers once said, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, "Whether or not there has been 100 years of injustice is irrelevant. I will not apologize for the past, only learn from it and do better" I firmly believe this as well.
So really, you're only point throughout this thread is that is that I should just keep my mouth shut. Or am I missing something?
Your post sure came off bitching about the education costs. Much criticism of the size of the budget seems to be either viewing children as a product where we should cut corners to save costs or complaining about 'greedy' teachers. I apologize if that wasn't your intent.I have no idea how you came up with that one based on what I said. Especially since I believe I was agreeing with your statement.