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[Occasionally]

You have no facts and you're racist. lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe if more people sought out information and perspective instead of making posts based on "opinions and generalizations" these dialogues would be worth something, but they aren't going to, so they're not going to be.

Let's be honest: the only reason a lot of people are even TALKING about race issues right now is the fact that a bunch of people with a position to inconvenience something white people enjoy decided to cause extremely minor disruptions. It's hilarious. And conservatives call liberals the snowflakes. smh lol

I'm just hear to talk about this issue as it's a hot topic. And if you can't deal with it too bad.

Guys like me aren't the ones with lousy jobs and having cops follow me in their car pulling me over. We just watch on the sidelines and see two groups (cops and Black community) butting heads in what's probably Round 99 out of 1,000. Everyone else sits there eating popcorn.

Do well in school, don't be an ass, get a good job and coast the rest of your life. And if you follow this basic boring path of life which every parent and teacher and guidance counselor will tell you to do, cops will leave you alone. Cops will inherently notice your background aren't troublemakers, so they will leave your people alone. At worst, they nail you for speeding or parking tickets.

Here's a link taken from Frank's link above, it shows New York racial interactions with cops. Maybe if you want to get cops off your back, do whatever Asian/Other people do. Despite being about 15% of the demographic, the gunfire is almost non-existent. In some charts, the line looks like 1% and some are literally zero.

Who knows. When in doubt, copy Tiger Mom Chinese homes.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-michael-brown-ferguson-black-men/

 

[explorerzip]

We criticize you because you nitpick other people should provide facts. This is a message board at the end of the day, not English class essays requiring absolute facts and references. People speak in opinions and generalizations to make a point, so don't be thick skulled requiring everything to be footnoted.

You nitpick to downplay other people's post yet provide no facts of your except ONE FACT you claimed was true, which turns out to be wrong. Other people ask you the same thing... to provide your own facts.... and you run for the hills.

You tried to pull a fast one by claiming Blacks are the biggest minority in the US to make a point, assuming nobody would bother noticing, but smallcock did and called you out for being wrong. So if you are going to criticize other people's facts, at least get your own right.

OK point taken. I admit to mistakenly claiming that Blacks are the biggest minority group to make a point. So where do we go from here? The fact that you are right does not change anything. Blacks still feel victimized and they will continue to protest until that feeling stops. You were bothered by what I think is a trivial issue and called you out on it. You chose to make this a history and economics lesson and I responded in-kind.


Please don't be so condescending to think that I don't know we're on a message board, not in an English class. I never asked you for absolute facts or footnotes, but would it have been so hard to expand on your opinions and suggestions just a bit? Like it or not, you come across as the "know it all" and have the only solution with no room for debate. Not sure about you, but I question people that seem to have rigid stances on things and do not give any concrete reasons for them.


I have to disagree that there is just one thing (e.g. jobs) that can solve this problem. It will take a series of things done over years, decades or longer for the Black community, government, police and businesses to solve this. I just feel that your opinions and generalizations do not help the situation. I don't think your suggestions would be well received either because they came across to me as condescending and callous.

If we really want this issue to stop we have to look at how we're coming across to other people. You're free to speak the 'cold hard truth', but the other side will likely never accept it and we'll keep going in circles.

 

[explorerzip]

I'm just hear to talk about this issue as it's a hot topic. And if you can't deal with it too bad.

Guys like me aren't the ones with lousy jobs and having cops follow me in their car pulling me over. We just watch on the sidelines and see two groups (cops and Black community) butting heads in what's probably Round 99 out of 1,000. Everyone else sits there eating popcorn.

Do well in school, don't be an ass, get a good job and coast the rest of your life. And if you follow this basic boring path of life which every parent and teacher and guidance counselor will tell you to do, cops will leave you alone. Cops will inherently notice your background aren't troublemakers, so they will leave your people alone. At worst, they nail you for speeding or parking tickets.

Here's a link taken from Frank's link above, it shows New York racial interactions with cops. Maybe if you want to get cops off your back, do whatever Asian/Other people do. Despite being about 15% of the demographic, the gunfire is almost non-existent. In some charts, the line looks like 1% and some are literally zero.

Who knows. When in doubt, copy Tiger Mom Chinese homes.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-michael-brown-ferguson-black-men/

Do you speak or write like this in public, at home, in an interview, or in the office? Blacks are the ones that speak ghetto?

 

[Occasionally]

OK point taken. I admit to mistakenly claiming that Blacks are the biggest minority group to make a point. So where do we go from here? The fact that you are right does not change anything. Blacks still feel victimized and they will continue to protest until that feeling stops. You were bothered by what I think is a trivial issue and called you out on it. You chose to make this a history and economics lesson and I responded in-kind.


Please don't be so condescending to think that I don't know we're on a message board, not in an English class. I never asked you for absolute facts or footnotes, but would it have been so hard to expand on your opinions and suggestions just a bit? Like it or not, you come across as the "know it all" and have the only solution with no room for debate. Not sure about you, but I question people that seem to have rigid stances on things and do not give any concrete reasons for them.


I have to disagree that there is just one thing (e.g. jobs) that can solve this problem. It will take a series of things done over years, decades or longer for the Black community, government, police and businesses to solve this. I just feel that your opinions and generalizations do not help the situation. I don't think your suggestions would be well received either because they came across to me as condescending and callous.

If we really want this issue to stop we have to look at how we're coming across to other people. You're free to speak the 'cold hard truth', but the other side will likely never accept it and we'll keep going in circles.

I've given my opinions on what should be focused on to improve one's self. They may be right, wrong or somewhere in the middle. Who knows. All I see is other groups doing pretty good so they got to be doing something right.

You have given zero ideas.

I wasn't bothered at all. I just think it's absurd a message board poster like you expects people discussing on forums to have exact footnotes and facts, when all TERB is, is just that. A message board to chat. And out of all the nitpicking you championed, you got facts wrong too. So if you're going to be a message board blowhard, at least tidy up your own facts. You've claimed one fact all thread, and even got that wrong on purpose to try to sneak a point in and called out on it.

And I never said job are the only thing. Do better in school, don't dick around and act better. Tidy yourself up and it leads to a better life, and cops will stop hassling those low income areas.

It's amazing that this thread is full of posts, and you solely think it's all about jobs. Jobs are important, but in order to score good jobs, it's a process.

I got to say, you are thick.

And besides, as you say going in circles.... what circles? Other ethnic groups don't have the same sort of problems at the Black community. The rest of us just watch and read all the stupidity cops and Black people do to one another on a seemingly monthly basis where there's another big event that involves a cop and a Black male.

So if the other side doesn't want to accept it, that's fine. Don't. Just keep doing what you're doing.

 

[explorerzip]

I've given my opinions on what should be focused on to improve one's self. They may be right, wrong or somewhere in the middle. Who knows. All I see is other groups doing pretty good so they got to be doing something right.

You have given zero ideas.

I wasn't bothered at all. I just think it's absurd a message board poster like you expects people discussing on forums to have exact footnotes and facts, when all TERB is, is just that. A message board to chat. And out of all the nitpicking you championed, you got facts wrong too. So if you're going to be a message board blowhard, at least tidy up your own facts. You've claimed one fact all thread, and even got that wrong on purpose to try to sneak a point in and called out on it.

And I never said job are the only thing. Do better in school, don't dick around and act better. Tidy yourself up and it leads to a better life, and cops will stop hassling those low income areas.

It's amazing that this thread is full of posts, and you solely think it's all about jobs. Jobs are important, but in order to score good jobs, it's a process.

I got to say, you are thick.

And besides, as you say going in circles.... what circles? Other ethnic groups don't have the same sort of problems at the Black community. The rest of us just watch and read all the stupidity cops and Black people do to one another on a seemingly monthly basis where there's another big event that involves a cop and a Black male.

So if the other side doesn't want to accept it, that's fine. Don't. Just keep doing what you're doing.

I already admitted to making a mistake with my earlier statement about Blacks being the largest minority. Congratulations again on winning that point. So where do we go from here?

The Black community seems to be going in circles on the perceived racism issue and we are too. Clearly something is not working if they still feel the need to protest. I do not think the solution is anywhere near as simple as "do better in school, stop dicking around, and act better." If the solution was that simple we would have solved this issue long ago. Did it occur to you that many of the people protesting (NFL players, celebrities, etc.) did well in school, didn't dick around and tried to act better? Did it occur to you that they are standing in solidarity with their people? Saying that all that Blacks need to do is do better in school, don't dick around and act better is actually very disrespectful to the people who already went through those hurdles.

Ask yourself if it makes sense to say the same few ideas over and over again and if your proposed solution would actually help. You said earlier that all you want is a society where everyone just leads a normal life. If that's true, would it not make sense to communicate your ideas in a less hostile way so they can be accepted?

Put it this way, would you say the things you have written here in public? How about to your Black friends or co-workers? You have to know that the backlash would likely be immediate based on current events. If you would not say such things in public how are they actionable ideas? What is the value of your ideas if they would be dismissed for being insensitive? Would it make sense for successful Black people to say the things that you have said?

 

[frankcastle]

You can't compare blacks to Asians..... they have completely different stereotypes.... which means a racist person would treat them differently.

 

[explorerzip]

You can't compare blacks to Asians..... they have completely different stereotypes.... which means a racist person would treat them differently.

True again, but I think there's no point in continuing to argue with someone that compares people this way.

 

[Occasionally]

I already admitted to making a mistake with my earlier statement about Blacks being the largest minority. Congratulations again on winning that point. So where do we go from here?

The Black community seems to be going in circles on the perceived racism issue and we are too. Clearly something is not working if they still feel the need to protest. I do not think the solution is anywhere near as simple as "do better in school, stop dicking around, and act better." If the solution was that simple we would have solved this issue long ago. Did it occur to you that many of the people protesting (NFL players, celebrities, etc.) did well in school, didn't dick around and tried to act better? Did it occur to you that they are standing in solidarity with their people? Saying that all that Blacks need to do is do better in school, don't dick around and act better is actually very disrespectful to the people who already went through those hurdles.

Ask yourself if it makes sense to say the same few ideas over and over again and if your proposed solution would actually help. You said earlier that all you want is a society where everyone just leads a normal life. If that's true, would it not make sense to communicate your ideas in a less hostile way so they can be accepted?

Put it this way, would you say the things you have written here in public? How about to your Black friends or co-workers? You have to know that the backlash would likely be immediate based on current events. If you would not say such things in public how are they actionable ideas? What is the value of your ideas if they would be dismissed for being insensitive? Would it make sense for successful Black people to say the things that you have said?

Thanks for finally supporting my points.

The reason celebs and athletes have done great is because they put in effort and became the best of the best. You don't become a rich and famous star by luck. In fact, when you read up bios of them, some reason most of them seem to come from crappy home life and they strived to be the best so they could get out of it. Whether it's turning to sports, theatre or playing a musical instrument, you'd see that most tidied themselves up and focused on something they enjoyed and it worked. And for those ones that are good enough.... instant millionaire and fame.

Now what they should do is turn those positive and hard working experiences and show their community great things can be achieved.

Everyone jumping on the bandwagon that cops are bad points the finger at all the good cops who aren't Dirty Harrys. No different than Dirty Harry cops singling out Black guys for no reason.

So as I said, two groups butting heads forever..... and everyone else, Whites, Asians, Indians, etc.... sit on the sidelines and watch this reality TV Show that has unlimited episodes.

 

[explorerzip]

Now what they should do is turn those positive and hard working experiences and show their community great things can be achieved.

So are you saying that these successful people are not showing their community what they can achieve now or not doing enough? And why do you still dispute that it's not ok for them to silently protest at a game? What if it is coupled with other actions?

I would still like to know if you would say what you've been writing here in public. If you wouldn't for fear of being flamed, then I think you need to look at how you've presented yourself so far.

 

[Occasionally]

So are you saying that these successful people are not showing their community what they can achieve now or not doing enough? And why do you still dispute that it's not ok for them to silently protest at a game? What if it is coupled with other actions?

I would still like to know if you would say what you've been writing here in public. If you wouldn't for fear of being flamed, then I think you need to look at how you've presented yourself so far.

Why would I say this stuff in public? Racial discussion is always a dicey topic. I'll say it here where we can all discuss.

No different than yourself. I'm sure you have said dumb things in the privacy of the net or in your home. Do you say that at work in front 100 people. Of course not. So spare all of us your holier than thou attitude.

For a guy who nitpicks people's factual accuracy with huge posts, yet gets his own facts wrong, you should think twice about criticizing other people's posts. But at least you've learned. I see ever since smallcock and myself called you out on it, you abandoned your fact checking filibustering. Don't get wrong, I know you were trying to play that annoying English Major attitude in forums. The guy who complains about other posts about facts, spelling, grammar etc.... when things don't go your way. And it flopped in your face.

What if it's coupled with other actions? OK, where? The NFL has about 50 players team. Multiplied by 30 or so teams. So the NFL has about 1,500 players alone. Add in athletes from other sports, but chip down the count as not all players are protesting, and you've still got probably a solid 1,000 players who have decided to join the protest. Maybe even more.

So where's all the actions?

Hey man, you and I can disagree, but at least I have the balls to speak up and suggest some ideas. Don't blame me for cop/Black people issues. I followed the basic path of success everyone tells you to do as a kid.... school, no crime or drugs, university, graduate, get a job. Do it all and support yourself till retirement.

Not hard to do.

And if some people don't like my recos, that's fine. Everyone out there can live their life how they want. If someone doesn't like my reco or anyone else's than just keep doing what you're doing.

 

[explorerzip]

Why would I say this stuff in public? Racial discussion is always a dicey topic. I'll say it here where we can all discuss.

No different than yourself. I'm sure you have said dumb things in the privacy of the net or in your home. Do you say that at work in front 100 people. Of course not. So spare all of us your holier than thou attitude.

For a guy who nitpicks people's factual accuracy with huge posts, yet gets his own facts wrong, you should think twice about criticizing other people's posts. But at least you've learned. I see ever since smallcock and myself called you out on it, you abandoned your fact checking filibustering. Don't get wrong, I know you were trying to play that annoying English Major attitude in forums. The guy who complains about other posts about facts, spelling, grammar etc.... when things don't go your way. And it flopped in your face.

What if it's coupled with other actions? OK, where? The NFL has about 50 players team. Multiplied by 30 or so teams. So the NFL has about 1,500 players alone. Add in athletes from other sports, but chip down the count as not all players are protesting, and you've still got probably a solid 1,000 players who have decided to join the protest. Maybe even more.

So where's all the actions?

Hey man, you and I can disagree, but at least I have the balls to speak up and suggest some ideas. Don't blame me for cop/Black people issues. I followed the basic path of success everyone tells you to do as a kid.... school, no crime or drugs, university, graduate, get a job. Do it all and support yourself till retirement.

Not hard to do.

And if some people don't like my recos, that's fine. Everyone out there can live their life how they want. If someone doesn't like my reco or anyone else's than just keep doing what you're doing.

Sorry if I came across as giving you attitude, but I was just asking FFS! See how easily people can interpret things the wrong way based on how we write?

I have NEVER blamed you for cop and Black issues nor did I even hint at it!

If I'm English Major annoying, that must make you Barrack Obama.

Anyway, I crown you the winner of this thread. CONGRATULATIONS again.

 

[jcpro]

Well, it looks like that the swift kick delivered by Trump to the NFL's nuts worked. Dropping popularity and a threat of removing preferential tax status seem to have done the trick.

 

[Occasionally]

Well, it looks like that the swift kick delivered by Trump to the NFL's nuts worked. Dropping popularity and a threat of removing preferential tax status seem to have done the trick.

I didn't know the NFL got special tax breaks! What a racket!

 

[Frankfooter]

Well, it looks like that the swift kick delivered by Trump to the NFL's nuts worked. Dropping popularity and a threat of removing preferential tax status seem to have done the trick.

Really?
http://nypost.com/2017/10/10/nfl-ratings-are-starting-to-improve-despite-distractions/

Contrast that with this:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/10/16452828/trump-approval-rating-bad

 

[latinboy]

NFL Commish Roger Goodell sends memo to the Owners that he wants players to stand for the national anthem.

It sounds like enough is enough, the fan dissension and outrage may prompt changes to the players' manual replacing the word "should" stand... to "must" stand. Including subsequent penalties for not adhering to policy.

It is about time IMO. I like his approach:


Goodell said the controversy over NFL players kneeling in protest during the anthem “is threatening to erode the unifying power of our game, and is now dividing us, and our players, from many fans across the country.”

“Like many of our fans we believe that everyone should stand for the National Anthem. It is an important moment in our game. We want to honor our flag and our country, and our fans expect that of us,” Goodell added in his statement.

“We also care deeply about our players and respect their opinions and concerns about critical social issues. The controversy over the anthem is a barrier to having honest conversations and making real progress on the underlying issues. We need to move past this controversy, and we want to do that together with our players.”



http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...nfl-teams-wants-players-stand-national-anthem

 

[eguapo]

Well, it looks like that the swift kick delivered by Trump to the NFL's nuts worked. Dropping popularity and a threat of removing preferential tax status seem to have done the trick.

The league hasn't been tax exempt for a couple of years. Trump should know this considering he has unsuccessfully tried to get a team.

 

[frankcastle]

Just saw an article about a fight at a NFL game.... it mentioned that Thursday night football TV ratings are up 7% from last year.

 

[basketcase]

...
Do well in school, don't be an ass, get a good job and coast the rest of your life. ...

And hope that you live in an area with sufficiently funded schools, an area that is willing to hire you despite your skin colour, and hope that you don't have to drop out to help your family pay bills. And no, hard work doesn't allow you to coast for life. Most jobs don't pay that well.

Fact is poverty plays a huge role in future prospects. Quite often, rich kids will succeed despite their choices while poor have to overcome many barriers to succeed.

 

[SuperCharge]

The league hasn't been tax exempt for a couple of years. Trump should know this considering he has unsuccessfully tried to get a team.

Close but no cigar.

Yes, the NFL receives billions in federal funding AND tax breaks. So does NHL, PGA & Womens Golf.

Not for much longer though. Pay for your own prostests, ON YOUR OWN DAMN DIME! I'd rather that money go to the VA.

Read the bipartisan supported bill
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/296/text

The NFL likes to be on their knees? They'll be on their knees alright.

 

[Frankfooter]

Close but no cigar.

Yes, the NFL receives billions in federal funding AND tax breaks. So does NHL, PGA & Womens Golf.
.

Hey, I agree with you for once.
No professional sports team or league should be subsidized by the government.