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Some information if you plan to visit a SP in the United States

altid13

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I mentioned on my review of Priyanka ( Priyanka @ DD Review | Toronto Escorts Review Board Forum | Terb ) that I live in the US. A few members have sent me messages asking about the hobby in the US. Others may have the same questions so I created this post.

Cost:

Prices will vary by location. Prices start at $400/Hour. Be prepared to spend $500 to $600 for an hour. Do not be surprised to see $800.

Dream of fucking a porn star? Some porn stars escort. Expect prices to start @ $1000.

Deposits are common. No eTransfer in the US. PayPal, CashApp, Venmo are common. A US Version of Etransfer is Zelle but you need a US bank account. Some may take Amazon Gift cards as a deposit.

If you do a deposit do your due diligence on the lady or be prepared to lose the money. I have never lost a deposit but I do my research.

Hobby is Illegal:

In the US this hobby is illegal. In Nevada some counties allow brothels but not Clark County (Las Vegas).

In many places Sheriffs are elected officials and prostitution ring busts are great publicity tools for Sheriffs. If you get busted on Friday night you are in jail until your arraignment on Monday.

Please read: How to Avoid Being Involved in a Prostitution Sting - Jared Justice

Agency vs. Independent:

Agencies are not common in the US but they are cheaper. With this hobby being illegal agencies tend to be operated by criminals. I have read about agencies being busted and they import girls and force them into work. I want no part of human trafficking so I don’t use agencies in the US. I prefer the lady enter and leave the profession by her choice and not be forced. I am not saying all agencies are that way… but I do not want to take the chance so I don’t use agencies.

Websites:

Ever heard of SESTA? Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act - Wikipedia In the US sites operating sites like TERB could fall under SESTA. I am not a legal expert so I am not going to argue about it. But the Ladies I talk too complain about SESTA and how has created challenges for them advertising. Social media accounts were getting shut down because sites like Twitter felt they could be prosecuted under SESTA.

Most sites to find ladies are foreign owned and outside of US jurisdiction.

SESTA makes it harder to do research on the Lady.

I avoid listcrawler sites, craigslist, bedpage, backpage etc. This is where scammers and cops tend to advertise.

I use:

Tryst: Tryst.link • Find independent escorts – Lots of ads. Not always accurate. I know a girl who has not been working for years and her ad is still there.​
Eros: Eros.Com: Eros Guide Escort directory with escort photo listings and contacts for Eros female escorts, massage, bdsm, fetish, transsexuals, shemales and more – Selection is limited because eros costs a lot of money to post ads but ads there tend to be legitimate.​
Private Delights: PrivateDelights | Find Escorts | Read Escort Reviews – Not always accurate but site does have reviews. Not details like TERB but if a girl has 30 reviews from the last 2 years you can book knowing you will not get arrested or mugged.​
TER: The Erotic Review – Research site like TERB. VIP Membership is required to read review details. VIP costs money. Option 2 is submit 2 reviews in 30 days and you get VIP for a month.​
Google: Google – Google is your friend. Google the girls phone # or email. If you get no hits move on.​
Social Media: Many Ladies have a Twitter account or some kind of social media. They will announce tours, retweet other working ladies posts etc.​

When you get the location. Google it. Is the neighborhood safe?

Any girl you choose should have an online history to avoid visiting the local county jail or getting mugged.

Verification:

Pretty much all SP’s require some kind of verification. If you have privacy concerns maybe skip the hobby in the US.

Do not use phone apps. Immediate block. You have to use a real phone number. They use reverse phone # look up apps and want to see a real name.

If the lady has a website she likely has a form for you to fill out.

Expect the following:

References:

Provide 2 references with an online presence who you have visited within the last 6 months. Let your references know they will be contacted. If your references do not come thru… you have to use alternative verification. I doubt they will take a reference from an agency in Canada. I could be wrong but I doubt it.​

Alternative:

Alternative verification tends to be some form of work verification. They will ask for your LinkedIn profile. They want to see your picture on the profile and that you have connections. That is usually the first step.​
The second step is verifying that is really you. I had one girl want me to do a friend request on linkedin. Many will want a selfie with you holding a passport or Driver’s License. You address can be hidden but your name and pic must be visible. Some girls will use Facetime to verify you but most do not.​
Sometimes they want your works main switchboard phone # and your extension.​
The ladies want to verify where you work. This is to avoid being arrested and guys who disclose personal details are less likely to misbehave.​

If you are a young black guy you may not pass verification. Mature black men have an easier time being verified.

When you are finished block her # on your phone. Especially if you are married. Ladies who tour may text you the next time they come to town. That has happened to me a couple of times.

With the border now open I hope this helps. Enjoy.
 
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Great information. It is worth noting that verification services do exist, or at least did exist and I assume they still do. I am a member of one, and I just give my basic information, the provider accesses the database, and all is good. So you aren’t transmitting a lot of confidential information all the time. Not that it matters too much. The legal problems don’t come from providers and agencies who screen, they come from those who don’t. And sex workers are very connected to one another now with twitter and electronics, so references are not that much of a problem. Another option is private messaging on review boards if you are a longtime member with reviews.

It is also worth noting that vast differences exist with respect to the level of law enforcement activity based on geographic locations, and more importantly the way of finding the lady. Nothing is safe in Arizona, but Las Vegas and San Francisco largely leave this activity alone. Almost all law enforcement activity once involved Backpage, and now involves skipthegames website and massage parlors. So don’t fucking use that website or go to massage parlors.
 

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Great information. It is worth noting that verification services do exist, or at least did exist and I assume they still do. I am a member of one, and I just give my basic information, the provider accesses the database, and all is good. So you aren’t transmitting a lot of confidential information all the time. Not that it matters too much. The legal problems don’t come from providers and agencies who screen, they come from those who don’t. And sex workers are very connected to one another now with twitter and electronics, so references are not that much of a problem. Another option is private messaging on review boards if you are a longtime member with reviews.

It is also worth noting that vast differences exist with respect to the level of law enforcement activity based on geographic locations, and more importantly the way of finding the lady. Nothing is safe in Arizona, but Las Vegas and San Francisco largely leave this activity alone. Almost all law enforcement activity once involved Backpage, and now involves skipthegames website and massage parlors. So don’t fucking use that website or go to massage parlors.
I assume you are talking about Preferred411 Verification Services. Yes they are still there. The cost is $99 to sign up for 6 months then varying amounts ($49 to $149) to renew. I have not signed up. Usually verification is not that hard. I have had a couple of providers not respond and it becomes a hassle.

I have not played in AZ yet. I am not surprised with SF being easy. I heard California was looking to legalize it to protect the working girls. Not all big cities look the other way. I was talking to a SP who works in the Washington DC suburbs. She said she went into DC once for work and got busted. She said never again she will stay in Northern VA.

The hobby is different down here in the US. Maybe I just think the grass is greener in my old home town (Toronto). I find the service is cheaper, it is easier to book and in general I get better service from ladies in the GTA.
 

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I assume you are talking about Preferred411 Verification Services. Yes they are still there. The cost is $99 to sign up for 6 months then varying amounts ($49 to $149) to renew. I have not signed up. Usually verification is not that hard. I have had a couple of providers not respond and it becomes a hassle.

I have not played in AZ yet. I am not surprised with SF being easy. I heard California was looking to legalize it to protect the working girls. Not all big cities look the other way. I was talking to a SP who works in the Washington DC suburbs. She said she went into DC once for work and got busted. She said never again she will stay in Northern VA.

The hobby is different down here in the US. Maybe I just think the grass is greener in my old home town (Toronto). I find the service is cheaper, it is easier to book and in general I get better service from ladies in the GTA.
Oh Lord, Toronto, Montreal, and almost everywhere in Europe is better in every possible way than the U.S.

But I presume enough posters and readers are U.S. guys who are interested enough in doing this in both countries so that U.S. information is useful.

And a lot of guys do need a basic education in how things work in the U.S. to keep them from getting arrested.

The other verification service was Room Service 2000, which I think is now called RS2K.
 
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Thanks for such a detailed post.
It almost makes me think it would be easier to just be celibate, lol.
 
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Thanks for such a detailed post.
It almost makes me think it would be easier to just be celibate, lol.
I think you have to have some level of respect for people who rebuild after someone or something knocks down what they have.

In the U.S., it is the independent providers who set up the type of screening system that the police leave alone, went offshore with their websites, and manage an enterprise on a time and companionship basis to make it arguably legal. They face hassles every day in terms of Twitter shutdowns, cash seizures, etc.

Canada was at risk of having the same system, but was saved in large cities by the police limited enforcement bulletin. But even merb and terb had to go offshore to be safer.
 

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This is a more reliable resource if not as good as terb.
I have found it to be too low-end for me tastes. I get disturbed every time I read it. Lot of low-end druggie girls, links to sites where the police to fake ads and massage parlor raids, etc. The two times in my life I felt real arrest and/or personal safety risk came from that site, and I swore it off.

Personally, I think a guy is better off just paying more and getting ladies advertising on their own websites and reviewed on TER, or the slightly more downmarket Private Delights or ECCIE. But Private Delights and ECCIE are upmarket from usasexguide.

Just my opinion.
 

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The only time I've hobbied in the USA was Vegas with Casino girls. Had good success too, especially with "part-timers" just looking to pay a few bills. A few nurses, retail workers and the like. Pricing was negotiable and I ended up with $250 USD all in GFE for over an hour. But this was 2008+ when the economy was shit.

Once things heated up so did prices so I stopped about 2012ish when I was there. I imagine it was like that during the shut down. No idea now.
 

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Yes avoid the USA. Full stop.
To add fat to the fire, saw a program on "trick rolling"....where these ladies pose as escorts, get back to blokes room, steal their wallets and run. Sometimes they'll drug the bloke, or get their bf to pull an armed robbery of the "trick". According to the program, Las Vegas reported a few thousand incidents in 2015. (Again, reported - many unreported because the piece had an interview w the a pro trick roller and she said she looked for married blokes w money, cuz she could steal more, and they would be the least likely to report the theft to the coppers).
 

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Long time world traveler. My advice is keep it in your pants in the USA. Too much risk of getting busted or ripped off. Best case, you pay triple or more the Toronto rate with mediocre service.
 

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There are some great girls to see in the U.S., which is why we have a system, and we share information.

That is exactly what the original post was about.

There is a screening system, a review system, and a recommendation process.

There are plenty of U.S. threads here in the international section of Terb where guys ask about U.S. cities, and foreign cities, and they get recommendations.

No where in the U.S. is as good as Montreal or Toronto, but that is not a good reason to merely declare superiority and act like things shouldn’t be discussed or pursued.

The lower end of the U.S. scene, which is what the last few posts relate to, should indeed not be pursued. You have the real risk of arrest, getting rolled, encountering STDs, etc. a $200 U.S. hooker is the equivalent of a $50 one in Toronto. If someone asked about $50 Toronto hookers, you would say to stay the fuck away. But you wouldn’t say the same about a $300 per hour lady in Totronto.

Major U.S. metro markets are often seeing $500 - $600 an hour or more for a lady who does a solid hour with bbbj and two cums, and most importantly is hot, and has reviews and screens. But they are out there, and it is an area that is left alone by law enforcement. And a lady with a bunch of reviews on TER isn’t going to do a cash and dash.

I don’t think threads like this one are really for Toronto locals. I perceived that the original poster took the time to provide great information primarily for U.S. guys who typically travel to Canada, but because of Covid and reduced business travel, now need to more thoroughly understand how the U.S. market works to obtain quality service and safety.
 

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I wrote my original post because I was in Toronto, visited a local girl, wrote a review, mentioned I was living in the US and got a few private messages asking about the hobby in the US. Things are different in the US, if folks on this board are travelling to the US and want to see service providers in the US the post has some things they should consider.

I do not play in the lower end market in the US. It is risky and I am not willing to take the risk.
 

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I wrote my original post because I was in Toronto, visited a local girl, wrote a review, mentioned I was living in the US and got a few private messages asking about the hobby in the US. Things are different in the US, if folks on this board are travelling to the US and want to see service providers in the US the post has some things they should consider.

I do not play in the lower end market in the US. It is risky and I am not willing to take the risk.
Yes, exactly, and you wrote an excellent guide. U.S. sex work has a caste system. Stay in the upper caste and follow the established rules for high-end escorts and a guy will be fine.

Drop down to lower castes where a safety system is not in place, and really bad things can, and do, happen.
 

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In Vegas currently and this has been a great source of info. Thanks mate.
 

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I have been lazy about doing reviews. This is another excellent lady to see in Vegas. I really liked her as a person, and she does everything listed on her website in the Turn Ons section of the website.

 
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