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Snow Extent in the Northern Hemisphere now Among the Highest in 56 years

JohnLarue

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In spite of this record snowfall that is from the "Lake Effect" Snow, the actual Artic Sea Ice is still considered to be "Very Low"":

Arctic Sea Ice
This is still troubling. The National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado continue to measure Arctic sea ice well below the last 30-year average. This is the time of year with little to no sun and intense cold, where the ice cover can grow rapidly. But at this point, it is below 1 Standard Deviation.

The positive spin is that more snow across the continents can enhance the cold air masses, which can expand the cold and perhaps enhance sea ice growth.

Note: Ocean Water is salty and freezes at a lower temperature than fresh water. This begins at 29ºF.




So if the Cold Air Masses can be enhanced by the excess snow from the various Continents, only then there can be a positive spin on the record snow from the Lake Effects that we saw in the past couple of weeks!!

it is only troubling because you want it be troubling

70 % of the world fresh water is in the Antarctic
90% of the planets ice is in the Antarctic
The Antarctic is frozen 99% of the time

As you point out

Note: Ocean Water is salty and freezes at a lower temperature than fresh water. This begins at 29ºF.
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Salinity however is not constant through the oceans and is in constant flux

your little picture compares to a 30 year average starting 40 years ago, a trivial amount of time


You quote one standard deviation from the mean as if that should be significant
What are the standard errors in measuring millions of square Kilometers of surface water with at least 15% ice?

That has to be an extrapolation of some kind via satellite imaging

Why 15% , not 5% ice or 33.7% ice ?
what is the scientific significance of 15% ?

1% ice in water will be @ the freezing point

15% is likely the limit of detection via the satellite imagery
If so, They are grossly understating the amount of sea water at the freezing point




if you must be troubled, be troubled by the amount of propaganda you are seeing from alarmists or you should be troubled that you do not ask more questions
 

Frankfooter

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Back in the late 1800's and early 1900's the crazies must have been warning of another ice age. Then in the 1940's, that's when the "End is Near" signs came out and the crazies were calling for the planet to burn in flames. Then nothing for the next 30-40 years, and now the crazies are back with more doomsday world ending shit.
Holy straw man argument.
Let us know when you're ready to talk facts.

The Planet is smarter than man. It knows what it is doing and when it has no use for man it will simply rid itself of us like the millions of life forms it has.
What was the planet doing during the last few mass extinctions and ice ages?
How did it know what to do then?


Salinity however is not constant through the oceans and is in constant flux
What has salinity to do with climate change arguments?

your little picture compares to a 30 year average starting 40 years ago, a trivial amount of time
More moving goal posts.


if you must be troubled, be troubled by the amount of propaganda you are seeing from alarmists or you should be troubled that you do not ask more questions
This from the guy who admitted to intentionally using partial quotes as a dishonest attempt to make a point.
The same guy who ignores how much the oil industry has spent on disinformation.
 

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Holy straw man argument.
Let us know when you're ready to talk facts.

When you start talking reality I will engage.

What was the planet doing during the last few mass extinctions and ice ages?
How did it know what to do then?

I have no idea how it knew what to do but it worked, or else we would not be here.


What has salinity to do with climate change arguments?



More moving goal posts.




This from the guy who admitted to intentionally using partial quotes as a dishonest attempt to make a point.
The same guy who ignores how much the oil industry has spent on disinformation.
 

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I agree, however I do not believe that we have enough evidence to make the correct conclusion. The sample size is too small.
Yet actual scientists think otherwise. Interesting.


For some reason they think that combining evidence from a huge variety of sources gives a good idea of what past climate was like and have developed models that explain past climate as well as current climate.
 

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Yet actual scientists think otherwise. Interesting.


For some reason they think that combining evidence from a huge variety of sources gives a good idea of what past climate was like and have developed models that explain past climate as well as current climate.
Over the years actual scientists of the day said lot's of things that did not pan out.
 

oil&gas

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Ghawar
stop using fossil fuels and their products then i will take you seriously
I'll never say this to even the most zealous climate activist like our
ex-climate-lunatic Minister of Climate Change. You have to be reasonable
if you want your message to get across.

IMO the right thing to say would be something along the line
of: "Stop being a gasoline glutton and start trimming your daily
expenses on fossil fuel if you want to be taken seriously." I'll try
to explain to climate sheeple the necessity of reduction of fossil
fuel usage, climate change or no climate change. Fossil fuel is a
non-renewable resource. Once it is gone it is gone forever. We
must do the utmost to conserve it until the means to phase out
oil, gas and coal entirely without unduly pain are in place.
 

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Over the years actual scientists of the day said lot's of things that did not pan out.
By the way… Are you really a Terb ref ?
 

basketcase

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Over the years actual scientists of the day said lot's of things that did not pan out.
Yes, that's how science works. We don't stick with a hundreds of years old faulty ideas when we get evidence that refutes them. That willingness to accept evidence is what makes science different from faith.
 

JohnLarue

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Over the years actual scientists of the day said lot's of things that did not pan out.
yeah, like we can power the world with wind and solar

oh wait, no scientist could have possibly thought that nonsense be true, it must have been a delusional activist or a lying politician


the climate alarmism has been around for 50 years of flailed predictions
how long can propaganda hold up against repeated failure... 100 years?
 
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Frankfooter

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the climate alarmism has been around for 50 years of flailed predictions
how long can propaganda hold up against repeated failure... 100 years?
Larue, why do you keep posting this stuff when its been debunked every single time?
You're afraid to enter a real debate so post crap like this then run away.
Why?

This is Exxon's prediction from 40 years ago.
We are at 420ppm CO2 and 1.2ºC, which is about 5 years earlier than they predicted.
But Exxon knew that 420ppm CO2 would warm the planet 1.2ºC, as it has.
Exxon knew.

The scientists have all given similar numbers, Mann, Hansen and the IPCC.





 
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