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Should Ford Legislate the Teachers Back To Work?

Should Ford Legislate The Teachers Back To Work?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 37.0%
  • No

    Votes: 24 32.9%
  • Don't Know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ford Should Find A Way To Fire The Teachers

    Votes: 11 15.1%
  • Ford Should Cut His Losses And Meet The Teachers Demands

    Votes: 11 15.1%

  • Total voters
    73

probyn

Member
Mar 5, 2010
834
7
18
Should the Ford Government legislate the teachers back to work in order to end the rotating Strikes?
 

shack

Nitpicker Extraordinaire
Oct 2, 2001
32,370
384
83
Toronto
It is hard to say. With Ford's rep, how do we know that he is bargaining in good faith? If he has offered them what is truly fair and they reject it, sure, legislate.

But if he is just trying to cry poor to save money for more tax breaks for the rich, then that's a different story.
 

John Wick

Baba Yaga
Oct 25, 2019
513
52
28
One major issue appears to be the unwillingness of the teachers to offer any concessions whatsoever. Hard to negotiate when one side is completely inflexible.
 

t.o.leafs.fan

Well-known member
Jul 20, 2006
1,284
103
63
Because these are rotating, 1 day strikes, I don't know that it is even possible to legislate them back to work.
 

bebe

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2001
5,249
340
83
Only a loser who can't negotiate in good faith will legislate them back to work, which is what that fat fuck will need to do.
 

basketcase

Well-known member
Dec 29, 2005
44,369
279
83
Legislation would mean the same forced arbitration that results in great deals for the police, fire, and paramedics so I suspect it would be another Ford boondoggle.
 

escortsxxx

Well-known member
Jul 15, 2004
1,118
105
63
Tdot
Ford is ending public school. If you so stupid to send you kids to public school you deserve what you get.

Public schools are returning to the private model of ages past

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ib-program-fee-1.5381467

Not to say this is on the teachers. Its not there fault you can't fail a student in grade 12 who is at the grade 2 level (which after passing for years realizes as kids are sure to - I get a pass even if I cant read , count or tell time so who needs school?) Its amazing teachers show up and even try in the public system - and some of them have to deal with knives guns and risk to limb and body. Unlike cops they cant just kill the kids they don't like - at least not a promotional track like it is for the cops.

But locking them out would just end with them getting huge pay increases far more than they are asking in arbitration as pointed out by others. Fords ultimate plan of getting rid of public schools as e-learning and letting private schools do the real schooling will work in the end - and end people wasting money on children. In a country of immigration we have lines up for fully educated ready to work new Canadians. Children are obsolete and a luxury of the rich and privileged.
 

oral.com

Member
Jul 21, 2004
430
3
18
Toronto
He’s a one term premier if he gives in. Harris was in the same situation and was elected a second term specifically because he stood up to the unions.
 

bazokajoe

Well-known member
Nov 7, 2010
4,260
135
63
Teachers got whatever they wanted from the Liberal government. Now they are being faced with someone who has the balls to say no. The public sector Unions are great at PR. They will threaten your kids future to get what they want. Nurse's Unions do the same.Threatening you and your families well being.

Let them find out what reality is really like.
 

mandrill

Well-known member
Aug 23, 2001
24,288
246
63
He shouldn't have picked a battle that was unwinnable.

Now it's just getting ugly and the Liberals are going to roast him over the fire for it.
If Dougie was popular and had a strong personal connection with the voters, he could do it and win. With a shrinking support base and no public personality whatsoever, he's going to lose support whatever he does. So he's fucked.
 

rhuarc29

Active member
Apr 16, 2009
8,522
17
38
Teachers got whatever they wanted from the Liberal government. Now they are being faced with someone who has the balls to say no. The public sector Unions are great at PR. They will threaten your kids future to get what they want. Nurse's Unions do the same.Threatening you and your families well being.

Let them find out what reality is really like.
It's too late. The province is already fucked. Far easier to give away concessions than to claw them back. We've had DECADES of irresponsibility. Of vote buying. Even if Ford was ten times the man he is, he couldn't save this province from itself.
 

Mr Deeds

Morally Bankrupt
Mar 11, 2013
3,490
16
38
Here
I dont really know but if the teachers stay out much longer our kids are going to grow as stupid and ignorant as Ford.
 

t.o.leafs.fan

Well-known member
Jul 20, 2006
1,284
103
63
One major issue appears to be the unwillingness of the teachers to offer any concessions whatsoever. Hard to negotiate when one side is completely inflexible.
Before negotiations even began, he told the teachers what their raise will be, that their class sizes will be increasing by 6 and that further jobs will be slashed by forcing the students to get credits by taking online courses. These things should be decided at the bargaining table. Any chance of having the teachers 'play nice' or conceding was clusterfucked from the outset by Lord Clusterfuck in a way that only he can clusterfuck things.
 

mandrill

Well-known member
Aug 23, 2001
24,288
246
63
You see. Look at the last 2 posts before this.

People on both sides of the spectrum despise Doofo and mock him and blame him. He literally can't win this because he's held in contempt.
 

rhuarc29

Active member
Apr 16, 2009
8,522
17
38
Before negotiations even began, he told the teachers what their raise will be, that their class sizes will be increasing by 6 and that further jobs will be slashed by forcing the students to get credits by taking online courses. These things should be decided at the bargaining table.
That's a weird argument. Usually both sides give their starting positions before bargaining starts. The bargaining table is for, you know, bargaining.
Regardless, when the situation is ridiculous salaries/benefits for teachers, and class sizes we obviously can't afford, I'm not sure if there's any point in bargaining to begin with. Even if Ford got everything he wanted, it'd still be a shite deal for taxpayers. That's how far the spectrum is skewed in favour of teachers and against taxpayers. And as soon as Liberals take power -- likely next term -- they'd reverse it anyway.
 
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